Spindle Spacers

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Ngodesign

Discussion Starter · Mar 10, 2018

Hello all, I have just fabbed and installed theses spindle spacers for the 1st gen Tacoma. Made the world of difference. It will give you the same drop as a ball joint flip however will retain the same steering geometry as stock in the lower control arm assembly. This results in no bump steer. The problem with doing a ball joint flip is that it changes the lower control arm geometry and will give you toe out under compression as the steering tie rod is at an increased angle relative to the lower control arm. Toe out is twitchy and will make the truck pull to the direction the bump occurs. I would like to offer these to the customtaco community. I have a couple of these prototype sets available for 50 bucks a pair. If any one is interested, give me a holler and I would like to produce more for the future.

4130 Chromoly Steel
Powder Coated Black

[email protected]

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Ngodesign

Discussion Starter · #21 · Feb 5, 2021

tomzilla808 said:
Thanks for the info!
I already have the ball joints flipped. But I'm looking for a better solution. Currently running 18x9" Saleen replicas and 235/45-18 tires. I had stock springs and KYB heavy duty shocks, but on any bumps or hard turns I had pretty bad rubbing. Then I tried a set of 2015 Prerunner springs with 1 coil cut, and that was much better, but negated the drop. Cutting1 more coil was too much and I'm back to rubbing Going to try another set of Prerunner springs with one and quarter coils removed and see how that works because I really like the increased spring rate and how the truck handles. With your parts and the Prerunner springs I'm hoping to solve my issues

Nice I am running the same size on he front of my truck as well! To have no rubbing yo will ultimately have to tub the front wheel wells or cut em out. Tomzilla, have you considered doing the QA1 Coilover conversion for the lower control arm? There are some write ups on this website. I did it many years ago thanks to contributors on customtacos! Its the way to go. The dual adjustable shocks work awesome and provide adjustability to get the ride dialed in.

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tomzilla808

· #22 · Feb 5, 2021

Ngodesign said:
Nice I am running the same size on he front of my truck as well! To have no rubbing yo will ultimately have to tub the front wheel wells or cut em out. Tomzilla, have you considered doing the QA1 Coilover conversion for the lower control arm? There are some write ups on this website. I did it many years ago thanks to contributors on customtacos! Its the way to go. The dual adjustable shocks work awesome and provide adjustability to get the ride dialed in.

I had actually debated doing the QA1 option, but I'm trying to stay low buck as I have 8 motorcycles I'm trying to build as well

I will eventually "massage" the fenderwells once I nail down the spring rates.
May I ask what spring rate you're using on the front? I was looking at using something in the neighborhood of 500lbs springs as I drive like an idiot and want more front end support. For the back I'm going to adapt a light helper coil spring maybe off a civic with custom mounts to stiffen the rear once the leafs go past a certain amount of compression.

Ngodesign

Discussion Starter · #23 · Feb 6, 2021

I had the 550 lbs with the 2rz engine. Before I had the 625 ad was a little much. Using the same 550s with the haaachuuu...jay zee. Works great with the 550s but have to pre load it little more than I would like. I may go to 600 with the 6 cylinder.

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Ngodesign

Discussion Starter · #24 · Feb 6, 2021

Ngodesign said:
I had the 550 lbs with the 2rz engine. Before I had the 625 ad was a little much. Using the same 550s with the haaachuuu...jay zee. Works great with the 550s but have to pre load it little more than I would like. I may go to 600 with the 6 cylinder.

In the back I currently have 175 lbs springs coil overs only. I used to have these and removed a leaf spring. Now only this with a 4 link which I designed is perfecto. I may have start a build thread haha...

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tomzilla808

· #25 · Feb 8, 2021

I'd like to do a 4 link, but such chassis modifications are not allowed here in Honolulu, Hawaii

You can't even legally c-notch a mini truck here. Full size, yes. mini, no. Stupid.
I'd still like to see your 4 link setup though

Ngodesign

Discussion Starter · #26 · Apr 10, 2021

Here are images for the Spindle spacers for 17 inch wheels.

Spacer height: 1.862"

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tomzilla808

· #27 · May 23, 2021

Ordered a set off Ebay. Now with another set of Prerunner front springs we'll see how it works

toycoma98

· #28 · 11 mo ago

I decided to remove these spacers. With the qa1 coilovers (8mb500 springs) and NON bj flip, yes the tierods aren't at an angle but the camber was too much. I tried adjusting the collars on the qa1s but it wont go any higher, also removed as much alignment shims that i can. Took them off and went back to flipped ball joints.

Now my alignment is better with more positive camber than with the spacers. Still has a little camber but not as much.
With the spacer, the lower arm is flat with the ground but the upper arm is pointing up causing the upper balljoint to move inwards.

I think these would work with 2" drop springs, not coilovers. Or with the djm upper arms or custom arms.
Custom drop spindles from carswellweldit would be even better. The upper bj mount is relocated.

Ngodesign

Discussion Starter · #29 · 10 mo ago

Just poking around these forums again to see what is going on...Hi toycoma98 and fellow mini truckers!...I make these upper ball joint assemblies now which will solve the upper control arm issues. These correct the camber and caster. If you feel you need to get the drivability back give these a try. These bolt on to your stock upper control arm replacing the stock upper ball joint. Hopefully these could be useful for some of you guys out here.

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blackedout_taco_stidham

· #30 · 10 mo ago

Ngodesign said:
Just poking around these forums again to see what is going on...Hi toycoma98 and fellow mini truckers!...I make these upper ball joint assemblies now which will solve the upper control arm issues. These correct the camber and caster. If you feel you need to get the drivability back give these a try. These bolt on to your stock upper control arm replacing the stock upper ball joint. Hopefully these could be useful for some of you guys out here.

Got a link or a price on them?

toycoma98

· #31 · 10 mo ago

blackedout_taco_stidham said:
Got a link or a price on them?

Search "Tacoma Lowering Upper Control Arm Ball Joint Assembly 1st Gen Camber Caster Fix" by seller: mr_nam

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tacop0ke

· #32 · 8 mo ago

Ngodesign said:
Hello all, I have just fabbed and installed theses spindle spacers for the 1st gen Tacoma. Made the world of difference. It will give you the same drop as a ball joint flip however will retain the same steering geometry as stock in the lower control arm assembly. This results in no bump steer. The problem with doing a ball joint flip is that it changes the lower control arm geometry and will give you toe out under compression as the steering tie rod is at an increased angle relative to the lower control arm. Toe out is twitchy and will make the truck pull to the direction the bump occurs. I would like to offer these to the customtaco community. I have a couple of these prototype sets available for 50 bucks a pair. If any one is interested, give me a holler and I would like to produce more for the future.

4130 Chromoly Steel
Powder Coated Black

[email protected]

You still got these spacers for sale? Just picked up an 01 tacoma recently & the previous owner flipped the lower balljoint. Pretty tired of the bump steer.

Importedense

· #33 · 1 mo ago

How big are these and what's the minimum wheel size required?

village idiot

· #34 · 8 d ago

Ngodesign said:
Just poking around these forums again to see what is going on...Hi toycoma98 and fellow mini truckers!...I make these upper ball joint assemblies now which will solve the upper control arm issues. These correct the camber and caster. If you feel you need to get the drivability back give these a try. These bolt on to your stock upper control arm replacing the stock upper ball joint. Hopefully these could be useful for some of you guys out here.

I bought a set and they work well. That with a change in front tires to a slightly smaller size(225/45-18) resulted virtually zero bump steer. I still need to up my spring rate or at least install a bigger front sway bar and better shocks. Overall very pleased with both products from you!!

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