LCE 2rz/3rz Header

Here I go again with another LCE group buy!
This group buy is for LC Engineering's 2rz/3rz stainless steel header.

Info on 2rz header>> Click This Sucka! (http://209.250.27.45/m1webgear/ProductDetails.aspx?PartID=1041048&PartRevisionID= )
Info on 3rz header>> Click This Too Sucka! (http://209.250.27.45/m1webgear/ProductDetails.aspx?PartID=1041054&PartRevisionID= )

Header price depends on how many people we get, so even if your just a little bit interested then post it. I'll give this a few weeks before I submit the total number of people interested. From there LCE will come back with a price based on the number of people we have.
Also, be aware this header is for single cat exhaust systems. Those with two cats will have to do some modification.

Count me in if we get more people for the 2rz header. This should be a group buy for the the header, high flow cat, and cat back exhaust system. More peple would probably be more interested.

i'm goin with power5hift on his decision. if they can make a group like that, then i might be down.

If enough people are interested I'll go for a header.

Newbie. long time lurker, first time poster. I'm planning on one regardless, but the group buy would work great

Edit: I'm in for the 3rz

I just called LCE and they said they're header came with a CARB number so it's 50 state legal and will pass smog. Which is important to me cause I live in CA., the land of strict smog laws.

Performance wise, what can I expect from a header equipped 2rz?

Does anyone have any specs on the header? Like collector size compared to stock, size of the primaries etc.

Yes, legal in 50 states, but won't work with the dual cat system on new models. Not sure how you would make it fit if you do have the dual cats.

Simple. The first cat is removed. That's why their website says: "NOTE: Not legal for California-Dual Catalytic Converter applications"

way interested in a 3rz, but wouldn't shipping be wicked expensive if they have to mail it to you in hawaii then you have to mail it to the mainland?

not too sure what u mean, but lce will ship it directly to those people in the group buy.
***just to clarify how this works; once i get a list of commited people for this group buy, i'll send it to lce. then each of those people on the list will have to call lce for payment and shipping info. lce will then ship out the header to each person.***

I am interested in the 3rz let me know what the price is going to be.

ah i get it, yeah i was actually thinking bout buying one real soon so this would be perfect, mark me down for a 3rz for sure

Im interested on headers for my 04 tacoma pre runner...
2.7L

But don't we need 02 sensors if we do decide to purchase these headers????

You already have the sensors on your truck. The header has the sensor (Front A/F sensor) mount on it already.

hey tred, and are you willing to weld and go through the whole bull---- over the headers?

i'm interested, are there any performance specs? price?

i'm interested too...

hey tred, and are you willing to weld and go through the whole bull---- over the headers?

I was trying to make up my mind, but I think I'm not going to get it this time. I've had the thought of going Turbo by 2007, and If I do, the LCE headers would be a waste, and a setback. Especially the fact that it's not a direct bolt-on for me, even though it's just the matter of shortening the pipe on the second cat, I don't think it'll be worth it for me.

just a bit of advice. Headers are a very poor performance investment. the money you spend, compared to the power you get is not worth it.

then why do people buy em?

bc people pay alot for a little gain..............dad threw headers on his tundra, no differences...

then why do people buy em?



Because people dont know any better. I bought headers, and realized they dont do sh!t. But I didnt know any better. Now I do, so I am sharing my experience. Hell, I spent more time and money than I care to admit on a turbo kit, and at the 6lbs of boost Im running right now, its also not worth it, but at least I can do something about it... unlike headers...

count me in.

2rz status.

how much will they be?

and if they do that: header, cat, exhaust combo...im down for that!

Glad to see lots of interests in this. Here's a list of peeps who posted some interest in the GB. Sorry if I listed you and are not interested. Just post to be removed or pm me. I'll keep this GB open for about another week.

Power5hift
fltacoma
Wildeman405
funkonomics
mass.taco
pistolsniper
Nullifier
TacoInProgress
therossinator
meemomark

unless they end up being unbelievably cheap i might have to pull out.

no prob. there's no commitment until i get a price.

unless they end up being unbelievably cheap i might have to pull out.


I'm with him, I need a price

patience. more peeps = lower price

just a bit of advice. Headers are a very poor performance investment. the money you spend, compared to the power you get is not worth it.



ive had headers on an 91 civic hatch and a 22re and could tell a big difference in low end torque

im interseted but would like to know the price as well. downey sells theres for a little over 2 bills

I'm in,2rz. my exhaust manifold is cracked.I think this would be a better fix.

semi interested

cool! i've asked lce for a price based on my previous list of 11 (including me) people. i haven't gotten a reply back, but i'll let'em know we have more people interested.

prob 2 2rz for me

How about a group buy for the header,high flow cat, and exhaust?

header only. sorry.

Ok here's the deal...

With at least 10 people, the price for the header will be $237.22. This does not include shipping costs. This group buy will end on JUNE 30th . Everyone who wants in will need to pm me with their name, address, phone number and e-mail, which I'll send to LCE. So far it looks like we're gonna make it with the amount of posted interests. Here's the list of interested peeps...

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1. Power5hift
2. fltacoma
3. Wildeman405
4. funkonomics
5. mass.taco
6. pistolsniper
7. Nullifier
8. TacoInProgress
9. therossinator
10. meemomark
11. 5luggin
12. Big Ron
13. tacorunner619
14. databasezero
15. ToRriD
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I'm sorry, I can't afford over 200, I'll have to opt out

I'm in. See if you can drop it down to about 200 + shipping, you seem to have enough people so far to do it. Bargain w/ em.

i am in

I'm all in

I'm all in



That's what SHE said

I was gonna ask this, from what I gather on the site the header is 296 reg price and I'm beliving that it includes free ground shipping. So if we pay 237 PLUS shipping, it's gonna be like 30 bucks to ship. That's not much of savings there. Sure it's a bit, but they're really not cutting you much of a deal that way. If that's the case then I suggest you bargain w/ them for the price of 237 including shipping.

their listed price does not includes shipping. i pulled this from their shipping page:

All shipping and handling costs are calculated separately by LCE and are not included in the price of the parts purchased either by telephone or internet sale. Because of the numerous products, varying weights, different box sizes and shipping methods available, it is almost impossible to show the customers freight charges during "checkout."

so we're still getting a pretty good deal. its about a 20% discount with this group buy.

ok. well now i know (too lazy to look that up). so yea 20% isn't bad at all.

Count me in for a 3rz header kit, but as Chris said see if you can bargain a bit, especially if more than 10 people get in by the end. Is the header stud mounting kit lce offers included in the header package?

i cant do it this week si i guess ill just end up goin with the downey header later on

Count me in for a 3rz header kit, but as Chris said see if you can bargain a bit, especially if more than 10 people get in by the end. Is the header stud mounting kit lce offers included in the header package?



The studs are a separate kit and have to be ordered as such.

Ok here's the deal...

With at least 10 people, the price for the header will be $237.22. This does not include shipping costs. This group buy will end on JUNE 30th . Everyone who wants in will need to pm me with their name, address, phone number and e-mail, which I'll send to LCE. So far it looks like we're gonna make it with the amount of posted interests. Here's the list of interested peeps...

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1. Power5hift
2. fltacoma
3. Wildeman405
4. funkonomics
5. mass.taco
6. pistolsniper
7. Nullifier
8. TacoInProgress
9. therossinator
10. meemomark
11. 5luggin
12. Big Ron
13. tacorunner619
14. databasezero
15. ToRriD
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When will we be able to place our orders?

i'll send the list of people to lce on the 1st of July, so probably anytime after that day. depending on how many people we get, i'll ask lce if they can bring the price down some more. so far it looks like we just might make 10 people. right now i've got info from:

pistolsniper
Power5hift
pL4tiNumfi5t
Wildeman405

thanks guys!

I'm interested in the 3RZ header from LCE. I'm new here and I've never done a group buy. I will have more info when I get my cash from the bank.

just to update everyone...
i've received info from the people listed below. i sent a pm to everyone else who posted an interest but didn't give info.
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pistolsniper
Power5hift
pL4tiNumfi5t
Wildeman405
ChrisTaco
Nullifier
nilson
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thanks guys!

i have 2 cats on my 04 if it wont be a issue then im interested

it will be an issue, but nothing severe.
because the header is longer than the stock exhaust manifold, it will extend past the flange to the first cat. this will require the exhaust system to be shortened or relocated, which i'm sure can be done at your local exhaust shop.
i'm planning to put mine in an '04 too. if you wanna go for it, just pm me your info. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Yeah one guy on the TTORA forum had dual cats also, and a local muffler shop fixed him up for $20 -- that's cat relocation, install, everything

I'm going to pass on this one for now, I need to finish repairing my truck. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Yeah one guy on the TTORA forum had dual cats also, and a local muffler shop fixed him up for $20 -- that's cat relocation, install, everything


If it is that simple, and if I'll be able to keep my truck CA smog legal, I may do this. I think I'll have to talk to LCE direct, since they state in the installation sheet:

NOTE: Not legal for California-Dual Catalytic Converter applications


But they also say:
Header Kit - 2RZ Street Header Kit - 2WD (95-03) 50 State Legal

So which one is it? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif


On another note, is the Downey Header mentioned by 5luggin better, worse or the same quality/performance as the LCE Header?

The downey header sucks. People have complained about it on more than one ocassion most often from cracking at the mount.

if i go for what is the cost down to now?

The downey header sucks. People have complained about it on more than one ocassion most often from cracking at the mount.



i did not know that. the lce is better anyway becuase its stainless. ill have to search the threads for more info

i don't need the stud mounting kit unless mine is damaged right?

Yeah one guy on the TTORA forum had dual cats also, and a local muffler shop fixed him up for $20 -- that's cat relocation, install, everything


If it is that simple, and if I'll be able to keep my truck CA smog legal, I may do this. I think I'll have to talk to LCE direct, since they state in the installation sheet:

NOTE: Not legal for California-Dual Catalytic Converter applications


But they also say:
Header Kit - 2RZ Street Header Kit - 2WD (95-03) 50 State Legal

So which one is it? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif


On another note, is the Downey Header mentioned by 5luggin better, worse or the same quality/performance as the LCE Header?

The first cat, closer to the engine is going to be removed when you install the LCE header. At the same time, you need to take it to an exhaust shop to have the second cat moved rearwards. It is not legal for California Dual CC applications because you'll only have one cat, unless if you have an exhaust shop squeeze two cats in the tight space (which I don't even think there's enough room).

i don't need the stud mounting kit unless mine is damaged right?



Right.

Or unless if you damage it while getting the exhuast manifold off, and putting the header on.

if i go for what is the cost down to now?


no change. we haven't even met the minimum amount of people yet. c'mon guys, i'd hate to see you lose out on this deal. times a tick'n.

is there a deadline? when?

What is current count.? I'm gonna be pissed if this doesn't happen I was ready to order weeks ago. I happened to see this buy in so I waited. Not your fault but damn people lets get it together!

u guys suck everytime theres a groupbuy im always broke http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cussing.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cussing.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cussing.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cussing.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickknock.gif

is there a deadline? when?


June 30th.
but if we don't have at least 10 people (or 10 orders) then i'm gonna have to extend the deadline. i'm assuming all those people who sent me info only want one header.

Sorry side job fell through. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

When will LCE be contacting us? I am going to be in Tennessee for the next week. I want to make sure there wont be problems.

well, looks like i'm gonna have to extend this. right now we only have a total of 8 people confirmed. when we get 10 people/orders, then i'll send the list to lce. then after that you guys gotta call'em for payment.

If someone has a photo of the LCE header installed, I'll have a better idea if I can get my muff shop to make the two cats fit. In particular, photos of where the header ends relative to the truck body/frame. If it looks doable, then I'll be in.

Just got off the phone with LCE, and got some info on the header with dual cat systems.

The header is not necessarily illegal with dual cat systems, even in California, just not a bolt on with the two cat system. The header does have the C.A.R.B. approval stamped into it. As far as fitment, look at where the pipe flange is at the back end of the first cat, that is "about" where the end of the LCE header will be.
FSM drawing showing the cats, 1st cat is on the left. (http://65.200.1.6/FSM/Repair_Manual/03tacoma/ec2rzfe3/twccsy/comp.pdf)

Sounded like if you want to ditch the first cat, you might still need some modification to get it to bolt on to the front of the pipe that holds the second cat; suppose I should've asked for more clarification here. If only one cat is needed in your state, then this may be the way to go.

In order to keep the two cat system, you (or a muffler shop) will need to fab things up so that the front of the first cat can mate with the back of the header, and then connect to the 2nd cat, and then probably fab new hangers and the rest of the exhaust system, since everything will be pushed backwards a bit.

I'm gonna talk to a muffler shop to get an estimate of what this will cost me.

Ok well then I will most likely order mine on tuesday with or with out the group buy. I have next weekend blocked for truck work and want to get my exhaust done. My new magnaflow cat, O2 sensor, and 6" round muffler all showed up today so I am set except the header.

Days to work on the truck are hard to come by for me and since I have about 3 medium size projects on the to do list, I am anxious to get all the projects completed.

im interested!!! put me in

http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/meemee.gifGROUP BUY ENDS ON MONDAY, JULY 4TH http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/meemee.gif

ok this is it. if anybody wants in on this deal you need to get me your info by this monday. i'll be sending everyones info to lce monday evening so they'll have it by tuesday morning. those people buying can call lce on tuesday (5th) to pay . this is the list of people buying:

pistolsniper
Power5hift
pL4tiNumfi5t
Wildeman405
ChrisTaco
Nullifier
nilson
TacoInProgress

i know it's only 9 people total (with me too), but i'm willing to buy the 10th header to use on another of my trucks or something.
whew, i think this is gonna be the last gb i ever do http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/runaway.gif

yo guys im kind of hesitant cauz i dont know if its gonna work with my truck. Its a 2004 tacoma pre runner, with 2 catalitic converters and i think 2 catbacks. my friend is getting a welder, but i dont know....

For anyone wondering if it will fit with two Cats and be Cali smog legal, "hytenor" states in this TTORA thread (http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3969) that he got the front cat moved back for $20. That seems pretty cheap, but at least he claims it can be done.

And in that same TTORA thread, "mangelo" had a link to pictures of his LCE header install (http://community.webshots.com/album/151421382CgHNpz). It appears that he just removed the cats, but by the photos it does look like it wouldn't be to difficult for an exhaust shop to move the front cat backwards and weld a flange onto the front of the front cat.

yo guys im kind of hesitant cauz i dont know if its gonna work with my truck. Its a 2004 tacoma pre runner, with 2 catalitic converters and i think 2 catbacks. my friend is getting a welder, but i dont know....

2 catbacks?? You mean you have a Y pipe after the cats, and you have dual exhaust exits? Catback refers to the piping and muffler, including the tailpipe AFTER the cat(s).

Even if you have a dual exhuast system, you'd go through the same stuff everyone else would to make it fit. Especially if you only go with one cat, nothing is going to change after the cat, as adjustment can be made before the catback. The catback is unaffected, unless if fitting becomes an issue to where you need to move the catback forward or rearward. And EVEN THEN, it should be just as easy to add or remove piping after the cat and before the mufflers.

if yall are still getting group buyers then count me in...im interested in getting the 3RZ header right now depending on how cheap it is

price for the header will be $237.22.
if you want to be in the gb, you'll need to send me a pm with your name, address, phone number and e-mail.

yeah so i got two catalitic converters... once i install these headers, i will have to get rid of one of them. correct? Would i gain more power by doing that? more sound? and would headers give u more deep sound too?

No you will not remove any cats. On your truck there are two cats one in front of the other. They Make the exhaust pipe go to far forward to meet up with the header . By having a muffler shop modify the ehxaust so the first cat is further back, you can hook up the header to the exhaust pipe.

This is very simple for any muffler shop to do. Buy the header.

Alright, I'm in if we get the GB price!

wtf i thought today was the deadline? i wanna buy it...

Well, I thought the end of today was the deadline. We'll see what Kale says.

We are good to go! I've just sent the list to LCE of all the people who will be buying a header with this group buy.

You each now need to call LCE and pay for the header, which will be $237.22 not including shipping. You can talk to Jay @ LCE since he's the one I've been dealing with. Specify which header you want (2RZ or 3RZ) and confirm your address I sent them. They probably won't ship out any headers until everybody calls and pays, so the sooner the better. This is their contact info from their site: 1-877-505-2501, Monday - Friday 8:00 am to 5:00 pm MST

Here's the list of people buying:
ToRriD
pistolsniper
Power5hift
pL4tiNumfi5t
Wildeman405
ChrisTaco
Nullifier
nilson
TacoInProgress
brianv88
funkonomics
MountainBiker
pmbazus


Thank you to everyone for participating! And thank you to LCE for giving us this opportunity!
As I mentioned before this will probably be my last group buy I will ever set up cuz this was a major pain in da a$$. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thanks Kale! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

Thanks Torid for putting this together. I'm calling LCE right now I'll be sure to thankthem for supporting custom tacos.

Thanks for the groupbuy Torrid. I just placed my order. Should be here in 3-4 days. I can't wait. Now we need a groupbuy for the catback exhaust system to finish my setup.

same as everyone..thanks alot...ordered mine today too

Thanks for the groupbuy Torrid. I just placed my order. Should be here in 3-4 days. I can't wait. Now we need a groupbuy for the catback exhaust system to finish my setup.



thank as well. We also need a group buy for the big bore throttle body.

Ordered mine as well. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Thanks again for setting up the group buy Kale.

With shipping at around $20 just to NorCal, I don't even want to ask what the shipping is to Island Paradise!

your welcome guys!
well, it's gonna cost me $60 to $70 to ship that mutha.

now that the headers are coming... should i get rid of my cats? or leave em stock, or buy high flow cats> if so which are the best high flow cats out therE?

Just do a high flow cat, I have a magnaflow and it made a nice lil difference, just dump your first cat though, you don't need it.

ok, so i dump the first cat... what high flow cat should i get?

http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/cgi-bin/flowmaster/hushii.html

http://209.250.27.45/m1webgear/ProductDetails.aspx?PartID=1043015&PartRevisionID=

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7984123106&catego ry=33629&sspagename=WDVW

what do u guys think??

If you go to the magna flow site they they have an application guide. go to product category, select catalytic converters. on that page is the guide enter you year and engine combo it will give you their part #

Received mine this morning. Fast shipping. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Ordered, thanks man. Jay seemed kinda happy, he said all but two people have bought their header, quickest group buy he's done.

now that the headers are coming... should i get rid of my cats? or leave em stock, or buy high flow cats> if so which are the best high flow cats out therE?

High flows are a waste of money, just keep the stock cats

Only reason I went to a high flow is cuz of the hole I put in my OEM one from a damn speed bump. Plus the high flow was cheaper than the OEM. I dunno Al, high flow do make a bit of difference though.

I purchased a high flow cat with my header from LCE. I needed to replace the stock one cause it had a crack in it and was giving a CEL. A stock one is more expensive. The local toyota dealership was charging me $400 for a new one. The LCE cat is also a direct bolt on, so no need taking it to a muffler shop and having it welded.

got my header today and it looks great, but am i supposed to get a 50 states legal sticker or something?

got my header today and it looks great, but am i supposed to get a 50 states legal sticker or something?



Yeah....mine didnt seem to come with one either. Installed it today....good thing I had a buddy with an air ratchet. The old stuff was really stuck on there.

anyone know whats up with their email contacts? ive tried to contact them to ask about a header for my 22R but my emails keep getting sent back cus they are not valid or something. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif any chance they'd do something for me as far as a small discount for being from here? anyone here buy one in san diego area? if so how much was shipping?

yeah, their regular sales e-mail is messed up. i got my e-mail returned when i tried sending the gb list. you can try jay@lcengineering.com or better yet call'em. they should be able to work something out for ya. if you read the earlier post from mountainbiker, his header was sent to norcal for $20.

ah ok........ ill do that. i just got their catolog this morning. sweet........ i can go broke for a long time with this book http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif ill see what they can do for me.

got my header today and it looks great, but am i supposed to get a 50 states legal sticker or something?



Yeah....mine didnt seem to come with one either. Installed it today....good thing I had a buddy with an air ratchet. The old stuff was really stuck on there.

The CARB EO# should be stamped on the header

I'd like to know what you guys opinions are of these headers? I'm trying to get in touch with Jay as I type and I'm not sure what I should do about the cats etc. One day I plan to get a complete new exhaust system, high-flow cat, magnaflow catback, etc.

Thanks.

Well mine finally got here this morning. I just wish I could say the same for the rest of my [censored]. I ordered a new cat and 6" S.S. magnaflow 10 days before the group buy ended and it's still not here. FIrst they said that It was because I hadn;t responded to an email about verifying the cat. Well I never replied becuase they never sent it. I "verified" it over the phone 2 days before LCE shippied the header and still no cat/muffler. I'm going to call Performance Peddler tomorrow If they haven't sent it I'm going elsewhere. Probably should have got it all from LCE but hind site is always 20/20 right.

yo guys, would it be fine to just drive w/ the headers to the muffler shop so they can move the pipe back??? can this harm anything?

shouldnt, i did a 10 mile drive with mine to my exhaust shop and didnt harm nothing but a few peoples ears and such as i buzzed down the road http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif just be easy on it, cruise down the road. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

Any of you guys have a spare exhaust manifold from a 2.7 you'd part with? Drop me a note, need one soon. Thanks.

I have an lce header for sale 2rz. Check it out 4 sale section or pm me!

interested.

2rz.

let me know on the price.

Any chance we can still get em?