XR: Nitrous / NOS

maybe a stupid ?, but has anyone thought of maybe putting a nitros kit on the X

I have my buddy said he will lend me his kit if I decide to do it. I was thinking of a 50 shot. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

it will void your warrenty.........toyota tech was telling me some kid brought in a blown up celica, they ran some test and i guess NOS is always able to track in the cylinder walls once used. so even if you use it once and dont blow it up.....you run a big risk. i say do it the right way wait for FI so when you blow it up you can put it back to stock and take it to the dealer. thats what my cousin did with his suburban, worked for him....

what about a wet shot maybe used once a week for goin to the drag strip, is it still not safe. I honestly maybe will keep my truck for at the most 3 years. Will it not last that long?

I work for a toyota dealership http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif

I have kicked the idea around a few, I would only use it for running at the track and stuff. I have seen what NOS can do good and bad....I just don't like that 10:1 comp...

well if i was actually gonna go through with it i would want a 100 wet shot. and it would be only used at the track. does anyone know or heard of someone coming out with a nos kit

wow 100 shot is up there in the riskgay section...you really don't need a kit made for X runners just get a wet kit that will work

NOS on an X-runner... that'd be sweet... It'd hit 14's for sure...

NOS on an X-runner... that'd be sweet... It'd hit 14's for sure...



maybe but I think it would be in the 13's if there was traction

I just was looking at NOS kts and they seem to be going for a basic set up for $400 to $650 for a nice one. I just wouldn't wanna be the first one to find the max amount to late

now only if it wouldn't blow when you used it... stick to them 15's, they're much safer... Bwaaahahahahahahaaaaa...

well maybe not 100 maybe 50-75, ive always wanted to have a little hidden switch for the NOS to be activated, and only came on at full throttle. im sure someone will come out with a kit

well maybe not 100 maybe 50-75, ive always wanted to have a little hidden switch for the NOS to be activated, and only came on at full throttle. im sure someone will come out with a kit


Come out with a kit? You should be able to use any EFI kit out there (NX, NOS, Nitrous Works, etc.) You'll more likely smoke your clutch before anything else. Start small (50 wet) and work your sway up. Several of us have ran n2o and the s/c without blowing anything up. Everything in moderation and have it only come on at WOT.

so is wet the way to go? whats the diff from wet and dry?

correct me if im wrong but i think wet is a mixture of fuel AND nos, and then dry is just straight NOS thats why its safer to use a wet system

Direct port wet shot system that you can upgrade is the only way to go. EFI intakes are not designed to flow fuel vapor--could lean out a cylinder. Many make this mistake.
Dry shot AFTER the air mass sensor also works most of the time at WOT--but only to a point with a stock computer and injectors; most of the computers go nuts if you use too much spray--or you run too lean.
In any case, you go nitrous, you need colder rated plugs and you must inspect the plugs frequently.
Dyno tuning with air/fuel monitoring is the best way to go; need to make sure the motor gets enough fuel, 'cause if detonation starts at WOT, bye-bye connecting rods/head gasket, etc. Run too lean without detonation (Combustion chamber temps. too hot), and you could melt the pistons and burn the exhaust valves. Another mistake some people make is over-compensating and dumping too much fuel in the motor--Extra fuel washes down the cylinder walls and destroys the piston rings and cylinder walls. Ever see a guy blow blue/white smoke when he upshifts? That is the sign of worn out piston rings.

Anyway, i'd rather wait for a forced induction kit. Even with all the precautions, spray is hard on the motor, and hairy to work with.

Just my .50 cents---Later.

hmm thats what i was afraid of, to many stuff to worry about

Do yall think the compression is to high to do a 50 wet shot. Have the kit just debating wether to put it on or not. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

It would make the truck come alive http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

Do it? Yes or No

YES do it, I have been pondering the idea for some time now. just need to get a tuner to make sure you correct the rich issues

if im not mistaken they run rich at full throttle so that would be a plus

first be sure what your doing or else it will be another x at the grave yard http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

yea i wanna do it to so let me know how it works

well thats a good point about the rich, what make u wanna go with wet?

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If you want some help let me know and we can get together and help you out.Then we can go to the track and have some fun playing around. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drunk.gif

Ok what kit were you looking at getting? I think it would put the truck in the 13's for sure

If you want some help let me know and we can get together and help you out.Then we can go to the track and have some fun playing around. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drunk.gif

x2 man i'm defintally down.. and oh i wana ride http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

it's a wet kit but i think im going to have to get the intake first before i do it. It would make things alot easier to hook up.

yeah a intake would be a lot easyer. also if you blow then engine up you can put it back to stock and take it the dealer and be like WTF. Chances are they won't go deep enough to find out what happend

yeah a intake would be a lot easyer. also if you blow then engine up you can put it back to stock and take it the dealer and be like WTF. Chances are they won't go deep enough to find out what happend


I was told that nitrous leaves leaves definate "clues" in the combustion chamber after running it so don't count on them not finding it. There is a lot of talk going around about that 4.0 grenading with power adders like nitrous and boost. The way I heard it, there is like 1500 blown up 4.0 engines sitting in a Toyota warehouse somewhere. I might wait around and see how this reliability issue falls out before you put that kit on. Just my .02

Dave

yeah a intake would be a lot easyer. also if you blow then engine up you can put it back to stock and take it the dealer and be like WTF. Chances are they won't go deep enough to find out what happend


I was told that nitrous leaves leaves definate "clues" in the combustion chamber after running it so don't count on them not finding it. There is a lot of talk going around about that 4.0 grenading with power adders like nitrous and boost. The way I heard it, there is like 1500 blown up 4.0 engines sitting in a Toyota warehouse somewhere. I might wait around and see how this reliability issue falls out before you put that kit on. Just my .02

Dave


I heard the 1500 engines rumor too, and it doesn't make sense. Why would Toyota blow up motor after motor? Wouldn't they get the point after they blew up the first 10 motors? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

yea that makes no sense either...I mean the normal person would learn after only a few not a few thousand...I think its just another bogus rumor someone who thinks they know all started somewhere. From what gadget was saying some he doesnt think there will be any issues on blowing up the motor, So guess we will see

I heard the 1500 engines rumor too, and it doesn't make sense. Why would Toyota blow up motor after motor? Wouldn't they get the point after they blew up the first 10 motors? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif


Toyota didn't blow up the engines-----customers did! They are engines that were changed out for warranty.

I heard the 1500 engines rumor too, and it doesn't make sense. Why would Toyota blow up motor after motor? Wouldn't they get the point after they blew up the first 10 motors? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif


Toyota didn't blow up the engines-----customers did! They are engines that were changed out for warranty.


OOOOOK, I get it now. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

well then see there you go thats perfict, because think of how many trannys there are sitting dead at toyota. So if you blow the engine up you are almost 100% getting a new one. just a thought but damn maybe this truck isn't as great as they hopped. maybe they will put it OOP! (Out Of Production)

I don't think so. It's a good truck. The problem is that it is a new truck with a fairly new engine and a new tranny. The engine was in last years 4Runner but how many 4Runner owners have hot rodded them? I think it is just a matter of time getting all the bugs worked out. It's just that you guys that jumped on the bandwagon first will have to eat a little crap till they get the problems squared away.

thats a great point but they know that the tranny is a POS

Yes they do and they are trying to address the problem. NUMMI stopped using those trannys a long time ago. Yours and a lot of others got out before Toyota knew they had a problem with that tranny supplier. When they learned of the problem they stopped production of the trucks with the 6 speeds until that whole line of trannys were changed. Toyota Corporate doesn't fawk around with quality issues at least not at the NUMMI plant. They want things right and will shut the whole damn plant down if necessary. The problem you guys are having is that since your trucks are already in the field, you have to go through your dealers and most are a royal pain in the ass to work with.

Yes they do and they are trying to address the problem. NUMMI stopped using those trannys a long time ago. Yours and a lot of others got out before Toyota knew they had a problem with that tranny supplier. When they learned of the problem they stopped production of the trucks with the 6 speeds until that whole line of trannys were changed. Toyota Corporate doesn't fawk around with quality issues at least not at the NUMMI plant. They want things right and will shut the whole damn plant down if necessary. The problem you guys are having is that since your trucks are already in the field, you have to go through your dealers and most are a royal pain in the ass to work with.



BINGO!!! He hit the nail on the head. Dealerships are the biggest hang up on getting most problems fixed.........dealerships don't want to have to fix something that is under warranty because they don't make any money that way!!! This is why they make it such a pain in the ass for people who have problems with their vehicles...they know if you get tired of dealing with the dealership over a: rattle in your dash, the sound of air coming in around a window.......... that eventually you will just give up and learn to live with the little things that go wrong. They even try to tell you bull sh!t like ," that's how all the trucks are."

Gotta love TQM

so so true, oh well, maybe it's time to change dealerships.

Yes they do and they are trying to address the problem. NUMMI stopped using those trannys a long time ago. Yours and a lot of others got out before Toyota knew they had a problem with that tranny supplier. When they learned of the problem they stopped production of the trucks with the 6 speeds until that whole line of trannys were changed. Toyota Corporate doesn't fawk around with quality issues at least not at the NUMMI plant. They want things right and will shut the whole damn plant down if necessary. The problem you guys are having is that since your trucks are already in the field, you have to go through your dealers and most are a royal pain in the ass to work with.



BINGO!!! He hit the nail on the head. Dealerships are the biggest hang up on getting most problems fixed.........dealerships don't want to have to fix something that is under warranty because they don't make any money that way!!! This is why they make it such a pain in the ass for people who have problems with their vehicles...they know if you get tired of dealing with the dealership over a: rattle in your dash, the sound of air coming in around a window.......... that eventually you will just give up and learn to live with the little things that go wrong. They even try to tell you bull sh!t like ," that's how all the trucks are."



From what I know, they do make money... Toyota has a contract with each dealer that services cars / trucks and the reason why a tech has to check the problem before fixing it is because when Toyota audits them and find that they never went through the checking process, then they're breaking the contract...

Toyota pays dealers to fix problems with new cars with each report... However, when they fix something it has to be in compliance with Toyota's warrenty standards inorder for them to get paid... So no, fixing someone's Turbo 4.0L with a trubo still attached to it won't get them any $$$ because they're not in compliance with warrenty standards...

My dealer never even hesitated to change my leaf springs... All I had to do was show up, jump on the back of my bumper, make the sound and bam they ordered the part...

I then just rolled in when the part was there and they fixed it without me even having to schedule an appointment...

back on topic, anyone still up for trying it?

kauss..........you are right. they do make money doing warranty work on cars......they get paid from toyota...

anyone know if they make a wet kit for the x or would you have to buy a universal kit

universal.. there really isnt too many specific nitrus kits anyways....

I highly doubt they'll make a kit for the XR since it's limited... Not to mention not everyone owning a XR will be into using nitrous...

very few kits are for a certain model. its pretty much fuel injected / carb lol

i wouldnt mind doing it. Im getting tired of riding in my friends sti then getting into my X and it feelin so slow

WARNING: If you go with a wet shot system, you need to go with a direct port system; EFI manifolds are not designed to flow fuel vapor. Some cylinders are likely to get more fuel than others; you could easily lean-out a cylinder and melt the piston or get detonation. And if you get an intake backfire, bye-bye upper intake manifold (It is plastic!). I don't think a wet system is needed for a 50 shot; just a boost pump on the main injectors kicking in at full throttle. A 60 shot dry system with a boost pump should get the proper effect. Oh, and don't forget to use colder plugs.

I was told that nitrous leaves leaves definite "clues" in the combustion chamber after running it so don't count on them not finding it. There is a lot of talk going around about that 4.0 grenading with power adders like nitrous and boost. The way I heard it, there is like 1500 blown up 4.0 engines sitting in a Toyota warehouse somewhere. I might wait around and see how this reliability issue falls out before you put that kit on. Just my .02

Dave



Yes I am quoting myself! The part about the nitrous leaving "tracks" is true. I found out from a very reliable source today that the rumor about the 1500 blown engines in a warehouse somewhere is just that. A rumor and total BS!!! I apologize for helping to spread the BS on here. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Sorry guys.

Dave

I was told that nitrous leaves leaves definite "clues" in the combustion chamber after running it so don't count on them not finding it. There is a lot of talk going around about that 4.0 grenading with power adders like nitrous and boost. The way I heard it, there is like 1500 blown up 4.0 engines sitting in a Toyota warehouse somewhere. I might wait around and see how this reliability issue falls out before you put that kit on. Just my .02

Dave



please pm me with that information. i have was in contact with a few people who were working with toyota on a s/c, and it was from the toyota people that said they have over 1500 blown up ones as well. ?

Yes I am quoting myself! The part about the nitrous leaving "tracks" is true. I found out from a very reliable source today that the rumor about the 1500 blown engines in a warehouse somewhere is just that. A rumor and total BS!!! I apologize for helping to spread the BS on here. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Sorry guys.

Dave

all i can say on this one is i wont be the first to try it

I love the way my Xrunner feels and sounds. It really reminds me of the way my buddies supra sounds( Before it spools us that is) but I would really like a little more power on top.
I heard that the Turbo's and Superchargers for our applications are a little costly and not very effective when it comes to dollar per HP. So basically, was wanting to know if anyone has tried some juice on their X-runners?? I have had really good luck with nitrous on previously owned cars with way less displacement and non forged internals, so Was wondering how our engines would fair to say a 100 shot or so.
Thanks for info before hand.
Zulu

i never have, but on this engine i, personally, wouldn't push more than 75 on stock. and not without step up solenoids. i don't think a lot of people (outside of developers) have tested how mush this engine can handle yet. at least i haven't found anything yet.

I hope you press on with this and test it out for us.

I am making a fuel rail tap for fuel if you need that. It will also serve as a good place to install a fuel pressure sender. It it not as easy as on the 3.4 since the whole fuel system on the X is plastic.

Gadget

Hi, new to site but long time reader. Sorry never posted before but I suck with computers so finally had my wife help me:brickknoc Anyways looking foward to talking about the X's. I got a couple of pics on car domain if you guys wanna check it out. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2199981/1

Welcome to CT...I believe you're the first nitroused X on here...what setup are you running? how'd you tap the fuel rail?

what size shot are you running and have you taken it to the track

Welcome to CT, Zach!.... :waytogo:

Welcome to CT:waytogo: And be prepared to be asked alot of questions about your nitrous:lol:

i have a couple kits in my garage and thought about hookin one up.... hmmmm:D

Welcome to CT Love ur NOS setup!!!! SQUEEZE.....The Bottle

<drool>
I dont have the balls to run gas.
I want to wait for Gadget to get that Turbo out first... If it doesn't make me happy, then yeah... NOS it is ...

Welcome to CT. Truck looks good. Nitrous, not me, but hey it'll make it faster. I'm waiting on the S/C.

what size shot are you running and how long have you been spraying on the X?

Have not gone to the track i live in colorado and track is closed. Its a wet 100 shot, only ? I have for you guys/gals is if you know of a way to retard the timing besides the plugs. The plugs i run are 38 a pop and thats not fun.

Gone through a bottle. Working on a bi-turbo set up simular to audi but needed to do something so my buddys would stop talking **** about trucks there pretty Quit now!

Hmm damn a bi-turbo...crazy what turbo you looking to put on because the internals on the 1grfe are really weak...you'll need to upgrade rods, pistons, camshafts, etc.

Hmm damn a bi-turbo...crazy what turbo you looking to put on because the internals on the 1grfe are really weak...you'll need to upgrade rods, pistons, camshafts, etc.

lol where did you get that from?

I read internals are good to 400hp two small t25 will work well with power band and be reliable with proper timing which is my main concern.

I read internals are good to 400hp two small t25 will work well with power band and be reliable with proper timing which is my main concern.

how do you plan on controlling fuel and timming? i dont think 400 BHP would be hard to hit.

GReddy e-manage for fuel with a fuel pressure regulator but I've tried to do the timing with e-man but toyota's are fussy I was hoping you guys could help besides spark plugs.

lol where did you get that from?
haha well i heard it through the grapevine but all the internal upgrades the TRD truck had I just sort of assumed that they blew an engine or two before they figured out they were weak internals....and I heard that SOS had replaced a blown engine because they had too much boost...maybe you have info I dont?

Nothing new just dont plan on pushing to hard you know. 6-8psi at altitude wont hurt and wont come close to 400hp

so are you running a wet shot or a dry shot?:shrug: and what kind of plugs are those?

Have not gone to the track i live in colorado and track is closed. Its a wet 100 shot
he posted 100 wet

GReddy e-manage for fuel with a fuel pressure regulator but I've tried to do the timing with e-man but toyota's are fussy I was hoping you guys could help besides spark plugs.

URD has one of our Fuel/Timing Calibrators that is ready to go and specially made for the 1GR-FE engine.

You are right about the timing being fussy. It did give us a fit for a while but we finally licked it.

Gadget

haha well i heard it through the grapevine but all the internal upgrades the TRD truck had I just sort of assumed that they blew an engine or two before they figured out they were weak internals....and I heard that SOS had replaced a blown engine because they had too much boost...maybe you have info I dont?

There is a lot of false info out about SOS blowing up an XRunner. The best info that I have is that they never got a working supercharger on a 1GR-FE and never put any boost in a 1GR-FE, so they never blew one up.

They did blow up Rob's Tundra V8, but I doubt it was their fault. It had a centrifugal supercharger with no engine management or fuel upgrades on it. Since then Rob has worked with URD to sort that out for his supercharger kits.

Gadget

he posted 100 wet

sorry missed that:doah:

There is a lot of false info out about SOS blowing up an XRunner. The best info that I have is that they never got a working supercharger on a 1GR-FE and never put any boost in a 1GR-FE, so they never blew one up.

They did blow up Rob's Tundra V8, but I doubt it was their fault. It had a centrifugal supercharger with no engine management or fuel upgrades on it. Since then Rob has worked with URD to sort that out for his supercharger kits.

Gadget

Cool thanks Gadget for clearing that up...my bad must have gotten mis info

URD has one of our Fuel/Timing Calibrators that is ready to go and specially made for the 1GR-FE engine.

You are right about the timing being fussy. It did give us a fit for a while but we finally licked it.

Gadget
Gadget

So with a fuel/timing calibrator, is that able to react to boost, or for the time being nitrous? Or is it a set program that sends the same signal?
Sorry for tha quiz

so are you running a wet shot or a dry shot?:shrug: and what kind of plugs are those?
NGK long-reach two degrees colder

I agree, the internals are weak and should be upgraded if you intend on adding more then 5 horsepower:lol: :lol: :lol:

more worried about tranny because motor takes nitrous fine (100shot) yet everones tranny is falling apart stock! And another thing what are you guys going to do when a supercharger comes out rebuild! It wont add much more than 100hp boost is boost dont be scared!

those trainnes where breaking cause it was a Factory defect in some. It wasnt they where failing. Seems toyota is fixing that with anyone with the problem

Basically what the title says. Just wondering if there's anyone around here running NOS on there X and if so what kind of gains are you seeing out of it?

if i remember right, there was one guy who poster on here that has it. im pretty sure he has a 100hp wet shot

heres the old post
http://www.customtacos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54650&highlight=nos

http://www.cccoe.k12.ca.us/abomb/images/cover_trinity.jpg

:applause: :funnyup:

That's pretty funny :funnyup: I looked at that other thread and it doesn't seem like many have tried it. If internals are rated at 400hp and most have said they could use a little more power from the X why aren't more people just throwing a simple wet 50 at it?

My hundred shot is working out very nice! really need a trac-bar though activating in 2nd gives a violent wheel spin.

That's pretty funny :funnyup: I looked at that other thread and it doesn't seem like many have tried it. If internals are rated at 400hp and most have said they could use a little more power from the X why aren't more people just throwing a simple wet 50 at it? no matter what you shoot you never get that you get less hp then what you actually shot.

Harry my truck topped out at 124 today!! I need NOS, two of the big ones, and I need them by tonight.

more worried about tranny because motor takes nitrous fine (100shot) yet everones tranny is falling apart stock! And another thing what are you guys going to do when a supercharger comes out rebuild! It wont add much more than 100hp boost is boost dont be scared!

What problem...? i am not familiar, might be what i ahave been dealing with...

Anyone have any experience with nitrous on our trucks? Good, Bad, Any? let me know.

I know there are a few people who have either tried it or were just thinking about doing it. Try doing a search. Im pretty sure it was in this forum though.

I'm seriously thinking about putting a 75 - 100 wet kit on my X. I want alittle extra horses to play with. What do you guys think? ( let the bashing begin:lol:)

From what I hear, anywhere from a 50-75 shot of N2O is perfectly safe on a stock engine, if installed correctly.
Which kit are you planning on going with? If I could ever save enough dinero up :brickknoc, I'm thinking about the ZEX Truck kit (wet) for mine.

I also recall a ct user named Zacadi who was on the bottle. He was using a wet system (100 shot). Only problem I believe he had was with detonation.

Detonation will basicly destroy your engine. I thought about getting a shot of NOS myself but after doing a little research i don't recommend it.

I'm seriously thinking about putting a 75 - 100 wet kit on my X. I want alittle extra horses to play with. What do you guys think? ( let the bashing begin:lol:)

If you do it right, it will be perfectly safe, and a ton of fun to rip on people!!!!