droppin the X

i was wondering if i lowered the X would it make the handling better or worse?

thanks
eden

It depends of how you lower it. I have not yet seen and do not know of any lowering kits, springs or shocks for the X.

wat if you cut the springs?

no bad, bad, down boy. no cut the springs, it would handle worse.

yea, and heating them up would be even worse...

oh ok, so the other option would be to wait for a coilover setup?

oh ok, so the other option would be to wait for a coilover setup?



It'd probably be more accurate to say "the **only** option is to be patient and see what lowering equipment comes on the market in the next weeks and months..."

My X is low enough for me...

I'm pretty sure SOS performance is going to come out with a kit.
http://www.sosperf.com/prod2.htm

Man, handle better???

If you get any more lateral grip in that thing you will certainly kill yourself when it does break loose.

I went up an on ramp today at 70 MPH and did not get the tire to squeel. The truck is amazing as is.

Does need more power, a better shifter, and something to fix that damn seat rattle.

Gadget

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This post wasn't started because they want the truck to get better handling... The poster IMO is more concerned about cosmetics than driving hard...

If someone is considering cutting the springs, the last thing they're worrying about is lateral G's...

> .9 G's of lateral grip isn't good enough for you in a truck, then nothing is http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I want my truck to handle better, and I believe it defintly has the potential to do so. How does 1.05 lateral g's sound? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

This post wasn't started because they want the truck to get better handling... The poster IMO is more concerned about cosmetics than driving hard...




uhhh. maybe you should reread that first post http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

even thicker front and rear sway bars would not be a bad step, then [censored] it, make it IRS and move the motor to the bed....lol

Cam,

Dude I recently reviewed a list of the best handling sports cars available for the street. The Mclaren F1 had the most lateral G's at 1.03. That car has underbody ground effects/vaccum tunnels,a downforce producing body shape,extremly wide tires and a rear wing. Several exotics were between 1.01 and 1.02 the Mclaren was the only car to be at 1.03. The corvette handles 1g even. So I would say that .9 is a very very respectable cornering ability. Too bad the shocks are outboard of the frame. This prevents the use of any type of wider rim/tire. The extra .1 of a g could possibly be had from simply doing the wider tire wheel thing. This is one reason why I stayed with my S. I can fit a 10.5 inch rear tire on the back. I'm 500 pounds lighter as well. The problem for me is the truck handles like crap with original equipment. But in the modded realm I believe the optimal 1g is obtainable by the S-runner with a well thought out set up and wider tires. SInce the only street cars that I know of that are over 1 g are all exotics I would say that 1g is a great #. If you want more than 1.03g's You'll need all the ground effects and a purpose built racecar and bring your check book.

You have to also remember lowering a car only brings the center of gravity lower... Handling is NOT just how many Gs you can pull on the pad...

You have to consider we drive street legal vehicles that HAVE to see public roads... Lowering a truck will have some disadvantages off the top of my head...

1) Lower payload weight one can carry on their bed (thus the reason the XR has a lower payload)
2) Shorter springs will make the truck more likely to skip and hop
3) Pot holes will be atrocious to your truck's overall well being...
4) You can have springs so stiff that if you end up driving even on a closed course, a bump on the shoulder can spin you out, especially with all the torque the truck have...
5) I can't put a number on it, but handling is part mechanics, and part feel... You can't go hard into a corner if you don't feel contorlled... Even if you had traction left...

Just take the extreme of lowering as example... A go Kart... Personally I wouldn't drive one of these everyday...

Like I was saying, if .9G is NOT enough for you in a truck, the NOTHING will be... Your expectations are probably a tad too high and you should drive slower http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Also, Toyota said many times in all the articles that I've read that the XR "exceeds" .9G of lateral grip and by exceed they're saying > (more than) .9G on average...

Seriously, how many of you even properly KNOW how to drive hard around a bend? I know how, but won't call myself out to be "good" enough to ask for more limit...

BTW, the caps isn't me shouting, I just don't like typing italics... So don't take me offensively because thats not what I'm about http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

Edit: The first post refers to "what will happen if the truck was lowered"

To me that says, they're going to lower the truck no matter what (obviously for cosmetic reasons) but just wondered will they "risk" handling ability while doing so...

So to me, this post was more cosmetically oriented than performance...

I'm no English major, but I would ask "how much better will my truck handle if I lower it" <-- as bland and vague as that is, it is way more performance oriented than what the original post suggest http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Like I said, cut springs... Purely a sign of the cosmetically oriented crowd...

yeah I guess I was a little off by throwing up 1.05 but wouldn't that be cool? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

I'll be happy with 1.0g http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

I think thats obtainable.

bag it

You can still go wider in the rear, there is good two and a half inches between the tire and the rear shock. Also having the shock outside the frame helps with the handling as well. Also the fender flare sticks out about another 2 or more inches past the tire. You'd have to get wider rims of course but I plan to.

Why not just get a different offset set of rims if you plan on going wider? Would solve a lot of it http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I'm just down with a matching 5th... Rims / better tires cost too much... One scuff and they're worth less http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

yeah I guess I was a little off by throwing up 1.05 but wouldn't that be cool? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

I'll be happy with 1.0g http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

I think thats obtainable.



Yes, really. WIth those WAY TO BIG Rotora brakes you are trying to push on people, you might be able to factor in the gyroscopic effect of those MASSIVE rotors. When you turn the wheels, the gyroscopic effect will make the wheels lean inrward in the direction of a turn like a motorcycle. That will provide you with a more optimum contact pattern for the tires, like a motor cycle and make the whole truck lean inward really sticking the truck to the road like glue.

I think you maybe really on to something here with those WAY TO BIG brake rotors with the 28 piston grip. Hell, once you factor in the 1.05 G capability of those WAY TO BIG brake rotors and that you can out corner EVERYTHING out there those puppies will be selling like crack at twice the price.

When you get them on get the truck on the skid pad and see just how much that gyroscopic effect ehances lateral grip. Hell you could patent the whole idea and call it RotoGrip...

Gadget

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I'm not trying to push anyone into gettting the 15" rotor's I'm simply giving them options. The 13" Rotoras will be the one's that are going to be produced, the 15" kit will be special order for the ones who want that. And I do see a better value in going with Rotora's two piece rotors and 6 piston calipers compared to the TRD.

Sorry for trying to help out the community, I will stop talking about big brake kits for the Xrunner and Srunner.

BTW I was Joking about the 1.05g and all that. I'm just saying with the proper suspension tuning and wide enough tires you will be able to increase the road holding capabilities of this truck. I believe it does have room for improvement. And I don't think a brake kit that might be a little overkill is going to affect it at all. Gadget I think you woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Cam,

The Mclaren F1 had the most lateral G's at 1.03. That car has underbody ground effects/vaccum tunnels,a downforce producing body shape,extremly wide tires and a rear wing. [snip] If you want more than 1.03g's You'll need all the ground effects...



The venturi tunnels, ground effects, spoilers, etc won't do much of anything at low speeds during the skidpad test. They're meant for high speed driving to suck the car down, increasing downforce.

No, I woke up on the usual side of the bed. I just have an odd sense of humor sometimes.

I just saw a nice set up to razz you a little bit. If I did not like you I would ignor you.

Keep up the nice work!

Gadget

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No, I woke up on the usual side of the bed. I just have an odd sense of humor sometimes.

I just saw a nice set up to razz you a little bit. If I did not like you I would ignor you.

Keep up the nice work!






Gadget

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Cool. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drunk.gif

But am I the only one here that thinks that the truck could benefit from some more suspension work such as lowering? I went on a curved on ramp that slopes down and the front end started to plow, I don't remembeer exactly how fast I was going but it didn't feel that fast. I think if the truck was lowered another inch and a half or 2 than it would have taken it a little better.

And I need to correct myself on these posts about the Stoptech kit. It turns out that they are 2 piece rotors as well. And they give you stainless steel brake lines. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doah.gif

Heel toe then get on the GAS once it plows hahaha...

j/k tho, better safe than sorry http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

You guys think they'll have TRD braked XRs at the dealers for test driving once those become avalible? Would be nice to feel the difference...

I think a lot of it has to do with tires and road conditions, I've had maybe 2, but 2 very scary issues with understeer in my truck, makes me feel somewhat uneasy with it's predictability. But I'm thinking it's due to the surface (not leaves or dirt or gravel, just the surface matching up with the tires) given, I wouldn't mind a slightly lower stance and slightly higher spring rate all around http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I think some lateral bars would be a good help also http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


But am I the only one here that thinks that the truck could benefit from some more suspension work such as lowering? I went on a curved on ramp that slopes down and the front end started to plow, I don't remembeer exactly how fast I was going but it didn't feel that fast. I think if the truck was lowered another inch and a half or 2 than it would have taken it a little better.




trd big brake kit?! like this?!

http://www.shift-lock.net/upload/x2.jpg

You guys think they'll have TRD braked XRs at the dealers for test driving once those become avalible? Would be nice to feel the difference...

The venturi tunnels, ground effects, spoilers, etc won't do much of anything at low speeds during the skidpad test. They're meant for high speed driving to suck the car down, increasing downforce.




I did not mention a skid pad. A skid pad is not required to measure maximum G force capability. I agree with what you are saying about low speeds and ground effects though. Low speeds is where it all comes down to raw mechanics. But on the contrary I have seen speeds of 60 mph on a skid pad by non ground effects cars. That is a high enough speed for ground effects to help out.