14 sec x runner

the new truck trend has a sport truck comp. x runner won. has the new record for truck slalom, 63.xx mph. also slippery taco owes me five bucks lol. they tested the x at 6.9 to 60 and 14.92. it didnt say alt. i assume it was corrected tho. best stopping as well. just thought i would share the first hard numbers on the 1/4 mile.

jon

-sorry is this has been posted already, my internet has been acting up and it seems i get about 10 -15 min before comcast is doing some kind of repair-

What are the pylon distances in the slalom competition?

Actually shocked that it got the best braking LOL... Must mean they're all horrible http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

BTW, if it wouldn't trouble you as much, can you type more about the article? Like what other trucks were in it, what they scored for comparison sakes http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

14.92 is still a bit high to call a "14 sec" truck... At least the barrier is broken tho http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

The only other truck it really talked about was the Dodge SRT-10. It really wasnt much of a "shoot-out". It just talked about the winner. I also did not see any mention of pylon distance.

your a disgrace as my brother! jk, it talked about all the trucks. the distance was the normal 100 feet i belive, and a 14.9 is 14 sec, im willing to bet the car had next to 0 miles on it, and cars get considerably faster with some miles. ill type out some of the article tomarrow, but the big brake optioon was on it, which is why it stopped so well. also, i noticed maybe the operating temps of the brake pads were higher than normal, b.c the brakes did not fade after a 10 min rampage though the twisties. anyways, it has the v8 dakota, the new frontier, and the srt 10 quad cab to compete with. the article praised the x runner in most areas, especially the handling. def worth reading. knowing from experience it is very hard to get this car off the line, slicks would easily knock a good amount of time off that 0 -60 and 1/4 mile. even lower tire pressure. first gear is next to impossible to get traction in.

jon

If the pylons are 100 ft, (I would think it's 200 since they're trucks) then 66.xx miles is PRETTY DAMN FAST!!!

from http://www.fast-autos.net

The times for:

RX-8 65.4
S2000 (2k1 version) 65.9
MR-S 66.1
350Z 67.8

The list goes on...

IMO the only way the truck can gain 66.xx on the slalom would be a 200 ft pylon distance http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif If it isn't, then this truck is going to be killer on the circuts!!! To those that say the truck can't handle like a car... Well, these aren't long sweeping turns... (Still 200 ft distances are still pretty impressive, the only reason why I think this is because of the wheel base)

BTW, if they're anything like a real testing mag, then they would of ran at least 3 runs and took the average of 3 runs... I'm just saying that 14.92 is SOOO close to 15... Most of us probably won't hit it.... With slicks definately this truck should be a monster!!! However then it isn't stock anymore http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I'm happy as the rest of XR fans, now I only wonder how the truck would do without the big brake kit http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

EDIT: HAHAHAH I just re-read 63.xx which is still DAMN FAST!!! Don't bash my sleepy ass hahahah....

it was also an average of all day testing or something like that as well.

Ok jumping off topic for just a quick sec... Now why do people still want a SC for the truck? It is already hard as hell to hook up in 1st... Do we NEED any more torque? Compression aside, I think it is just a plain bad idea to SC something that might not even hook up in 2nd gear given the power... Obviously there are Centrifugal SCs that work like turbos, but if you're going to go that route why not just run tubo and save on weight and use exhaust to power your ride http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I guess the biggest difference I'll have to get used to would be to take some lead out of my foot when I start tossing this thing around... Going from a 90 LS Integra to this is kinda like driving something with 500 hp LOL...

i am patiently awaiting FI. with the 380 sos/gadget is claiming for the sc and fuel mods, that should be a screamer. with slicks i dont think 12's are out of the ?. but i agree tho, it is very fun to drive as it is, and it makes me laugh when the s runner owner have a bone stock s but dont think the x has anything on them. lol
jon

i am patiently awaiting FI. with the 380 sos/gadget is claiming for the sc and fuel mods, that should be a screamer. with slicks i dont think 12's are out of the ?. but i agree tho, it is very fun to drive as it is, and it makes me laugh when the s runner owner have a bone stock s but dont think the x has anything on them. lol
jon



Its only because, stock or not, 90% of the s runners on here are faster than your x.

i am patiently awaiting FI. with the 380 sos/gadget is claiming for the sc and fuel mods, that should be a screamer. with slicks i dont think 12's are out of the ?. but i agree tho, it is very fun to drive as it is, and it makes me laugh when the s runner owner have a bone stock s but dont think the x has anything on them. lol
jon



Its only because, stock or not, 90% of the s runners on here are faster than your x.




I have nothing against the S vs X, I think they're both great trucks... However with slicks, I bet the X will have more comprable times compared to the modded S' running around... With that said, the X is a pretty damn fast truck stock regardless...

S is a lot more fun right now since there are a lot of things you can do to it... Modding is a part of the fun for most and thats where this board shines http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Either or, I'd say, we put couches on these things and see what 1/4s we can run... It'll be a new sport, couch racing!!!

I dont care, I would have a ton of fun in either one! I'll take either... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I think X-runners are awsome and would love to have one and I will own one. I currantly own a 03 S-Runner and would love to give you a shot at the title. Knowing your in Ca.it would be almost impossible to race me but if you know someone that has one in Louisiana hook it up and lets see how much faster in the 1/4 or road course the X is than the S. I ANIT SCARED!!!!!!!!!! LOL http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

I don't feel as if anyone even needs to race. 1/4mi numbers speak for themselves, right? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

-ComaJoe

i agree. and the road course number the s would get slaughtered. i do believe there are some sc s runner that have a hard time getting in the 14's with only a sc. (pip) either way the truck is quick, and i think it would be a solid 14 with decent traction.

jon

I ran a 14.61 with only s/c, no fuel upgrades. Pip is a different story, he's bagged. reason is running 14.2 with only s/cer, no fuel upgrades. it's all about the driver http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

I think 100% stock vs stock, naturally aspirated, the X is a better all around truck than the S, and it should be, it's the next generation truck! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

-ComaJoe

I ran a 14.61 with only s/c, no fuel upgrades. Pip is a different story, he's bagged. reason is running 14.2 with only s/cer, no fuel upgrades. it's all about the driver http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

I think 100% stock vs stock, naturally aspirated, the X is a better all around truck than the S, and it should be, it's the next generation truck! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

-ComaJoe



i was more refering to this.......... here (http://www.srunner.org/srun/slips.html)

jon http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

ah ic. still though... it's all about the driver and Pip would be a bad example cause he's a sh*tty driver and everyone knows it http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

LOL j/k, Pips mah boy! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

-ComaJoe

what about SHO NUFFS 12.5 1/4 s runner? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
that thing is a beast

Here's my times http://www.tacomasrunner.com/times.html

Won't it be nice if there was a database showing everybody's 1/4mi times?

http://www.customtacos.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=feedback&Number=411564&pag e=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=93&fpart=all

http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

I thought thats what the gallery was for? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

A database would be much more organized and you can easily compare users ETs, 60fts, 1/8mi etc.

When people ask "I have this model Tacoma and with such mods what 1/4mi times can i expect?" With a database it will be easier for them to find out.

I am tried of these guy's getting a X and have never put there azzes in a S to know what a awsome truck it is and that it is no push over. I think the times are close enough that a good S driver can beat an average X driver we have been driving our trucks alot longer than these guy's have I want johnathan to race one of our good drivers and see if he is as bad as he thinks he is!!!!!!!!

actually, i have driven an s on a reg basis..........sorry dude. but if you think the s will out perform the x in any test......more power to you. but i think i am an above average skill driver myself, if any s runners in the area wanna play around, im always up for it!

jon

Do we NEED any more torque?



you can never have enough torque (coming from a guy with 355 lb/ft of it http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif)

my lightly-modded S-runner is walking up to the 14 second doorstep. Pip has made it into 14's more than once and he's s/c'd, but that just shows you're pulling out an unfair example of a S/C'd s-runner being the same as a N/A x-runner.

I'm not the only one on here with an n/a SR close to 14's either.

No one can argue that the 05's are all around better trucks for many reasons, but there certainly is no SLAUGHTER going on around here when it comes to 1/4 mile times...

as far as handling (i still havent had the chance to drive one) between the two trucks, Go pick on one of your "cornering" peers -- like the 350z http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

I had a 95 extra cab V6 5 spd with only an intake and exhaust and ran 15.2.http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

I had a 95 extra cab V6 5 spd with only an intake and exhaust and ran 15.2.http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif



now that's what im talkin' bout! what was the exhaust setup? and what about LSD?

I just told the shop I didn't want it as loud as flow masters and they put something on there. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif No lsd, but it was lowered 6". http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif pics in gallery of the truck. also ran the 15.2 on the stock 14s and stock tires.

Do we NEED any more torque?



you can never have enough torque (coming from a guy with 355 lb/ft of it http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif)



Seriously, torque is nice and all, but you CAN technically and literally have too much... Well torque by itself is useless, it has to be mated to the proper gears...

One thing you can really never get too much of is traction... Newton's first law, without traction, you can have all the torque in the world, I'll beat you backwards in a Geo Metro http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Also, for the X and S owners... This is stating to get real ugly... All I gotta say is, the FASTEST S is faster than the fastest X... So with that said, just have fun guys...

No need to race http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Time slips prove everything... As for road courses, you plan on running any real track Johnathan? Which ones do you plan on running? Maybe I can meet up with you once I get my heel toe position down... (obviously after break in too =P)

actually, i have driven an s on a reg basis..........sorry dude. but if you think the s will out perform the x in any test......more power to you. but i think i am an above average skill driver myself, if any s runners in the area wanna play around, im always up for it!

jon



anytime... i'll even come to a CA SCCA autocross to meet. remember, your truck has Potenza RE050's, and the SR comes with lame RE910's stock. upgrade the tires on the SR, and you wont believe what happens. a .90 lateral skidpad G, is kinda low. the weight is what will hurt you. tires are just about everything.
so, name the event.
dave ( < with Civic at 1.04 lateral G's )

One thing you can really never get too much of is traction...



sure you can... when you stand the front end up so high, that your back bumper lifts the rear tires off the ground, you have too much traction... dont ask how i know this... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
dave ( < drag racing since 1976 )

One thing you can really never get too much of is traction...



sure you can... when you stand the front end up so high, that your back bumper lifts the rear tires off the ground, you have too much traction... dont ask how i know this... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
dave ( < drag racing since 1976 )



dude, thats not too much traction, thats too little horsepower! hahahaha http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'm not drawing a picture in my head how rear wheels get lifted under acceleration... Where does the weight transfer go?

when the car is standing on the rear bumper http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'm not drawing a picture in my head how rear wheels get lifted under acceleration... Where does the weight transfer go?



the car lifts so fast and hard, the front wheels lift off, followed by the rears.

I'm not drawing a picture in my head how rear wheels get lifted under acceleration... Where does the weight transfer go?



weight transfer goes to the back bumper... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

a little history:
688 RWHP, 2200 lb, tube chassis Pro Street Pinto on 29 x 15.5 x 15 Micky Thompson Sportsman rears, averaged 1.2 sec 60 foot times. ( street cheater tires ) it always pulled the front tires off the ground a few inches on launch, but...

one time i decided to try some 30.5 x 12 M&H drag slicks.

the car launched so hard, that it just yanked the front up within about 10 feet, and the rear bumper hit the ground with so much force that it lifted the rear tires off the ground...

all i saw was stars in the sky through the windshield... i lifted off the gas right away, and the car slammed the front back on the ground... completly smashing the oil pan... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

after changing my shorts... i vowed to never try slicks on a short wheelbase car again. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif at least not without wheele bars.

anyway, back to the subject...
dave ( < who finds drag racing boring now... )

HAHAHA, I would only suspect someone would put wheelie bars on their car / truck if they plan on having a huge gob of power...

I still say it isn't friction's problem tho http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif It is too much torque...

i do believe there are some sc s runner that have a hard time getting in the 14's with only a sc. (pip) either way the truck is quick, and i think it would be a solid 14 with decent traction.

jon

you must be blind...

R/T - .004
60 - 2.205
330 - 6.224
1/8 - 9.543 @ 74.24 MPH
1000 - 12.378
1/4 - 14.757 @ 94.25 MPH

and yes its a valid time because englishtown (raceway park) uses a pro-stock tree and .000 is considered a perfect reaction time, where most tracks are .500 for a perfect r/t... it did take me time to get into the 14's, but it was all about learning how the truck works in the 1/4... since that time, i have been able to hit 14's consistently... after i bagged the truck, the suspension was not exactly setup to handle 1/4 driving, and i cant break into the 14's because i get wheel hop..

once my 4-link is redone (january/february) i am positive i will beat my current best et of 14.757.. mark my words http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


ah ic. still though... it's all about the driver and Pip would be a bad example cause he's a sh*tty driver and everyone knows it http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

LOL j/k, Pips mah boy! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

-ComaJoe

yea yea yea http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif you're just jealous i can go down and you cant http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif

i do believe there are some sc s runner that have a hard time getting in the 14's with only a sc. (pip) either way the truck is quick, and i think it would be a solid 14 with decent traction.

jon

you must be blind...

R/T - .004
60 - 2.205
330 - 6.224
1/8 - 9.543 @ 74.24 MPH
1000 - 12.378
1/4 - 14.757 @ 94.25 MPH

and yes its a valid time because englishtown (raceway park) uses a pro-stock tree and .000 is considered a perfect reaction time, where most tracks are .500 for a perfect r/t... it did take me time to get into the 14's, but it was all about learning how the truck works in the 1/4... since that time, i have been able to hit 14's consistently... after i bagged the truck, the suspension was not exactly setup to handle 1/4 driving, and i cant break into the 14's because i get wheel hop..

once my 4-link is redone (january/february) i am positive i will beat my current best et of 14.757.. mark my words http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


ah ic. still though... it's all about the driver and Pip would be a bad example cause he's a sh*tty driver and everyone knows it http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

LOL j/k, Pips mah boy! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

-ComaJoe

yea yea yea http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif you're just jealous i can go down and you cant http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif



lol i missed this whole post............but anyways it more more as to one time was in the 14's out of what 15? yada yda xr 1/4 nag nag nag. all i was saying is that the first published 1/4 for the x is in the 14's. there was never one for the sr, actually i have the test with it against the lightning with no lsd, best they could manage (car and driver i beileve) was a 15.0. but next subject http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

lol i missed this whole post............but anyways it more more as to one time was in the 14's out of what 15? yada yda xr 1/4 nag nag nag. all i was saying is that the first published 1/4 for the x is in the 14's. there was never one for the sr, actually i have the test with it against the lightning with no lsd, best they could manage (car and driver i beileve) was a 15.0. but next subject http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

thats because nobody knew what the s-runner was... and to this day, many people still dont... the s-runner didnt get anywhere near as much attention as the x-runner did when it came out... but the s-runner now being a few years old, there has been alot of stuff discovered about it, and the potential it really has...

and personally i think these car and driver magazines are full of sh*t.. they get so many cars/trucks to test, and they're response is more or less.. "next vehicle please" if they did some real testing, they'd really be surprised...

the s-runner stock vs the x-runner stock to me isnt really comparable considering you get 55 more horse to the crank, limited slip, and a 6 speed tranny with different ratio's i believe...

both trucks are very well built... you can have your X and i'll keep my S... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

well said. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

What Pip said...



Word nikka!!! Know your roots!! S is straight up OG style.

But in seriousness, my roommate and I were discussing that same exact concept about how much more popular the X is and how I feel like one day someone naive is gonna say,"S-runner??? What is that some sort of X-runner knock off??" http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

The X will out handle the S with no problem.But the S for the same price of an X is a Tacoma with sheeps clothing with a sharks bite.My S with all the goodies to go fast and looks was still cheaper than a X.I can hit low 14's all day in street trim with no problems.

At this time I am thinking of selling the S to get an X cause there is an offer on the table that is hard to beat.But I will miss her if this happens.Plus I drive more back roads so the handeling will be fun for an everyday drive.

How much did it cost people to get a 14 sec SR?

hmm i would assume lsd and s/c at min........with you installing it.....and good deals...............i would say 2k ish.

more like 3k and in comparison to the price of X is about the same, but the S would be faster, while the X would be more sporty, and comfortable.

How much did it cost people to get a 14 sec SR?


For a little under $22,000 I have the S and all mods,wheels and tires.This includes me doing all the installs and buying some items second hand.If I really tried I could be well under 14's with some slicks from what I am running right now.Heck I don't even have any fuel mods yet or tuning.

and personally i think these car and driver magazines are full of sh*t.. they get so many cars/trucks to test, and they're response is more or less.. "next vehicle please" if they did some real testing, they'd really be surprised...




yeah... im friends with someone from an independent vehicle testing company. their results vary from the magazines, often by quite a bit. it just so happens that all the drivers of this company are all either national champion autocrossers or national champion road racers. i trust their results a lot more than the magazines.
by the way, car and driver got 15.0 from the SR, and motor trend got 15.3. that is what made me look at SR in the first place before i bought it. will it actually do it ? dunno... will the XR actually do a 14.9 ? dont know that either... someone go to the track.
dave

The X will out handle the S with no problem.



me thinks you should have gotten better tires than your Falken FK-451's ( like RT-215's ) and much lighter wheels. you would have a much different opinion.
dave

I "raced" a Nissan 300Z TT from red light to red light a year or so ago in the S before I had my S/C'er. At the first light we started at it was a left hand turn, he had the inside lane, I had the outside lane and the distance to the next red light was 1/4 mile. I had him through the turn on the outside lane and we both got to the light at the same time. The next light was a straight shot and the distance was about 1/8 mile, we got there at the same time again. He yelled over to me at the third light, "Christ, what is that?" "What's in it?" and lastly "That thing is awesome". I believe the reason I was tied with him, the first run he lost a lot of time on the turn and secondly he lagged too much at the second light but easily caught up at the light. So not too bad considering I didn't have my supercharger or 7th injector at the time.

I am at around $23,500 and I am running a constant 13.6 .