If you lost your truck (knock on wood)...

Even though I'm set on getting the XR, I don't have my truck yet http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif They quoted me 4 to 6 weeks and they have 2 to 4 weeks left http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif...

I promised myself once 6 weeks hit I'm walking... I'm not putting myself through so much trouble to buy a new generation truck...

So I was wondering... If you folks with S and X's ended up losing your truck (once again knock on wood)... What replacement would you get that is in the range of the XR and has to be brand new...

I didn't post in the 4x4 forums n such because those folks might be looking for something other than pavement sport...

My next choice ATM is a RX-8, but I really don't like the fact that you gotta pamper it from new to when it decides to call it quits... Next after that might be a MR-S, but that thing has no practical points to it at all, however it'll get me great gas milage...

I can sympathize... Here in southwest Ohio it was a year-long exercise in frustration to try and get an S-Runner. No fewer than 6 different dealerships gave up (some after actually trying for months). In the mean time, I was entertaining all sorts of alternative notions... In the end, I kept circling around to the fact that an SR was what the **** I wanted. It took a lot of Internet a**hole-ness and a hell-ride to Georgia to get mine, but I did it.

If you've decided 'XR' - you gotta hang in there. If any of the alternatives start making you forget about the XR - maybe you don't want the XR bad enough. On the other hand, you're in one of the areas that historically had good supplies of SR's, so I'd assume you're (eventually) gonna get your XR. Good luck with it...

The rX-8 and mr-s are 2 completely different types of cars. I would go with the mazda rx-8, mazda speed miata in place of the MR-S, and if you really want speed I would take a trip to my subaru dealership.

I came from a WRX and don't want AWD again... PITA if you want to keep your car running because of tranny problems...

MR-S is a LOT roomier than a Miata... I can totally fit in it and have plenty of room relax...

RX-8 is more practical out of the lot of them but cost a pretty penny more...

XR is still going to be top of my list because I've never ownd a truck... However, there are points where the XR detures me and thats gas mileage and first generation... Brakes "can" be better, but that can be fix once cam2xrunner has the Rotora kit up and running...

Still unlike most of you when you got your trucks, I don't have a car that is "MINE" at the moment... I'm borrowing my friend's car and driving out of insurance coverage... He only has liability on it and I'm not covered by mine to drive it... This is a real bad situation for me to keep waiting however long it takes for someone to get it right http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Still 2 to 4 more weeks is a long time http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I'm sure the XR is as good as parked...

if you figure whats its costing you to wait all this time i would have spent another 400 over 5 years or whatever. yes i know money is money, [censored] i only make 10 bucks an hour. but, id glady pay that price to own my x. its all what you want, and i think you are doing the right thing going for the x.

jon

umm.. i'd go buy an 91-whenevr they stopped that body style mr2 turbo and go through the endine anf run some crazy hp from that for the same price as an x and have some $ left over but yea keep withe the x please.. mr2's are notorious for headgasket problems

There is no black XR with C4 and 5 or less miles on a lot waiting to be bought... There is one with 47 miles on it and scuffs in the paint with kids climbing in and out of it daily with what I believe might be bumper dmg too, they did a macco looking paint job to cover it up... They even offered me to buy it at $100 under $23,305... So it definately isn't the money... When I spend $23K, I want something I won't regret upon... You rush into buy a car, it can be the worst decidion you've ever made in your life... Maybe next to rushing into buying a house, but they retain their value...

It wasn't the price, it was the supply...

Edit: I was actually in the market for a 240sx before I decided to buy a new car / truck to obtain resale value and a piece of mind I can get to work the next day... MR2's here are jacked up in price as well, 91 turbos are no the ones to look for because 93's are the ones that have the revised suspension... 91s can be had for cheap but they all have 150K plus miles on it and most need new turbos... That'll still leave me car less for a long time not to mention the horibble imperfections left by the last owner / onwers (most of these cars get beat up sold and beat up some more)...

MR2s are notorious to spin out without effort... I don't think my driving skills will permit me to drive something that fast with a mid engine... I was looking at the non-turbos but there isn't much modding you can do after you get used to it...

Never the less, the old car is not the road I would take if I was to spend some money on an over priced car... Because 5 years down the road, the 8K I would have spent on the MR2 plus say another 4K on repairs (maybe more) would make the car probably worth 4 or 5K, while I'm sure I can still sell the XR for 18K plus easy... (figure I only put about 5K miles on it a year)..

ohh i gotcha then, lol i called around every day, trust me do not take their word for when they are coming in. i had two depoist for cars that werent there. they will and do lie. do a search on toyota.com and go buy and x.

jon

I emailed 24 dealers and I posted the results I got from it before I decided to goto Fremont... I got those dealer listings from Toyota.com...

Trust me when it comes to buying new cars, I've done my homework http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I still have one dealer to hit up if this don't go over well, that's the one in Palo Alto because they quoted me $500 off MSRP too...

Locations lists show nothing with 5 miles on it because these trucks have been traded a few times between dealers and people flaking off from buying it... Ordering is the best, the only problem this time around is the limited production so they're not actually making all 3500 at once, but rather making them over time...

Well, I'll take a pick of my odo when I get my truck... The 4 or 5 miles on it will make it all worth while...

there's been a black xr at my local dealer for goin on 3 weeks now...lol

Does it have the extra mile package to it too http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Also check for the Macco paint job on the front bumper... I don't recall seeing this when I test drove the tuck with the camper, but at the show room, the paint didn't even match the truck when I saw that one...

Out of the RX8, Miata turbo, and MR-S:

(test drives - short versions)

2004 RX8 5-speed
Interior: Excellent. The back seat though is COMPLETELY useless. Viewing angle out the back is strange.
Exterior: Still getting used to em, but cool.
Engine: Fragile as glass, but smooth through the powerband. Nice high rev limit, just don't hit it, or you'll blow all 6 apex seals http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif
Drivability: The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. Otherwise, drives nice.

2004 Miata Turbo 5-speed (6?)
Interior: Miata. Roomy, comfortable... Miata.
Exterior: Miata. No surprises here. I drove one with the Mazdaspeed body kit. Looked good as hell IMHO.
Engine: Surprisingly weak. For a claimed 174bhp, it wasn't all that fast. Quick yes, fast no. Fun to drive definitely. SMOOTH delivery though. No noticible boost creep.
Driveability: It's a Miata. How much better do you want a car to drive? Seriously. Smooth, firm, and everything it should be. I'd lower it http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

2004 MR-2 Spyder (MR-S) 5-speed
Interior: Exactly how I want a car to be. Tight, confined, ****pit feeling, no room to breathe, and no bullshtt. The top is a bich to get up and down though. Miata has a power top. MR-S has an arm-breaker.
Exterior: I love em. Bite me. NO TRUNK! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cussing.gif
Engine: I'm in love, but it needs a turbo. IMHO it felt much faster than the 40hp stronger Miata Turbo. Strange. Might've been the gearing. Very smooth and quick delivery. Did some donuts with my girlfriend shotgun on the testdrive http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif
Driveability: Drives like any well balanced Toyota. Smooth, fun, and easy to break loose http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

For comparison:
2004 Honda S2000 6-speed
Interior: Sex. Period. Pure, unadulterated sex. Only complaint was radio placement. I bloodied my knuckle on the test drive and broke a button on the CD player shifting into 3rd. Maybe I should've been driving slower http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif Oh, FAST power convertable top = WIN http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
Exterior: My favorite looking roadster besides the Lotus. Yes, I like a Honda. Shoot me. The hood is huge though. You sit WAAAAAAAAAY back.
Engine: Best n/a roadster engine ever. 8700RPM redline, and endless power from one end to the other. Inline 4-banger putting out 240bhp n/a... what more could you ask for? Oh yeah... a turbo
Driveability: Fun slow, fun fast, fun turning, fun fun fun. Expensive as ****e, but FUN. Handles like it's on rails too. Doesn't drift for ****e though http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doah.gif

Maybe I should go find a Lotus dealership and test drive one http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

I came from a WRX and don't want AWD again... PITA if you want to keep your car running because of tranny problems...



Ive driven two AWD cars and NEVER had any tranny problems. Maybe your driving style, or lack of, is what killed your tranny? NO offense, but it's a thought.

I came from a WRX and don't want AWD again... PITA if you want to keep your car running because of tranny problems...



Ive driven two AWD cars and NEVER had any tranny problems. Maybe your driving style, or lack of, is what killed your tranny? NO offense, but it's a thought.



If you've been on the WRX forums you'd know the trannys sucks ass on those things... I haven't owned the car long enough to encounter that, but all I can say is, you can slip the wheel with RWD or FWD, but with AWD, you think about putting in a late stage clutch kit... Kiss your tranny good bye... I can drive and granny shift any car and have it run for a good long time, but I'm not buying a AWD Civic or Corolla... I'm buying a car I can take to the track and push to the limits... The STi and Evo gear boxes are stronger, but still, they suffer from not being able to slip the tires under launches and you can really add up the damage over time...


2004 RX8 5-speed
Interior: Excellent. The back seat though is COMPLETELY useless. Viewing angle out the back is strange.
Exterior: Still getting used to em, but cool.
Engine: Fragile as glass, but smooth through the powerband. Nice high rev limit, just don't hit it, or you'll blow all 6 apex seals
Drivability: The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. The clutch sucks. Otherwise, drives nice.



The clutch IMO definately not suck, and yes the rear seats are worth as much as the trunk space in the MR-S... Still tho, the seats are good for misc. stuff you just happen to have on you while not wanting to stuff it into the trunk... I can toss my bowling equiptment back there for example http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I didn't drive the S2000, but that car is out of my price range and not practical enough for me to consider for the price... Would be something I wouldn't mind owning at all tho... The newer ones are 2.2L...

The Miata on the other hand is not roomy nor comfy... That is a car I'll never consider even if it was dirt cheap... Just like the CRX it just wasn't meant to be with me http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

MR-S they don't have enough in stock for me to test drive out of all the dealers I've been to, but you got to test drive without the sales person shotgun? They must of had a n00b http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I even tested the 04 GT Stang... That thing is JUNK... Ugly drive train, ugly cltuch, ugly gas / brake feel, ugly everything... I might offend a few Stang owners here if any, but seriously, I would never pay to drive that thing...

I might even hunt for a IS300 but the older ones wth 6 speed and work with that if nothing comes through... However the IS300 has played out on me already and I'm not digging as much as when it was new...

My bad, it is a 2.2L. I drove the new Stang as well... it was crap. I did a series of test drives 2 weeks ago and posted long reviews. It's a hobby of mine.

Any requests? I'll go drive anything.

I dont know how good you are with engines and stuff, but if you are realy looking for something fast then why not buy a taco and put a diff engine in it? I sugest atleast you stay toyota so get a supra or somthin http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I'm not going to complicate myself in trying to get a street legal swap in Cali... Not to mention all the down time of bringing it in and out of shop... I need a dialy driver this is why I'm buying new and something dependable...

Personally I won't even supercharge it seeing how the last one ran lean and I always favor turbos since I like running laps...

Speed isn't everything, it's the grin to drive factor I'm looking for... I had a fast car, it seems slow once you get used to it anyways http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif A fun car stays fun to drive, and now I did one better... I gone with a fun TRUCK http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

There is no black XR with C4 and 5 or less miles on a lot waiting to be bought... There is one with 47 miles on it and scuffs in the paint with kids climbing in and out of it daily with what I believe might be bumper dmg too, they did a macco looking paint job to cover it up... They even offered me to buy it at $100 under $23,305... So it definately isn't the money... When I spend $23K, I want something I won't regret upon... You rush into buy a car, it can be the worst decidion you've ever made in your life... Maybe next to rushing into buying a house, but they retain their value...

It wasn't the price, it was the supply...

Edit: I was actually in the market for a 240sx before I decided to buy a new car / truck to obtain resale value and a piece of mind I can get to work the next day... MR2's here are jacked up in price as well, 91 turbos are no the ones to look for because 93's are the ones that have the revised suspension... 91s can be had for cheap but they all have 150K plus miles on it and most need new turbos... That'll still leave me car less for a long time not to mention the horibble imperfections left by the last owner / onwers (most of these cars get beat up sold and beat up some more)...

MR2s are notorious to spin out without effort... I don't think my driving skills will permit me to drive something that fast with a mid engine... I was looking at the non-turbos but there isn't much modding you can do after you get used to it...

Never the less, the old car is not the road I would take if I was to spend some money on an over priced car... Because 5 years down the road, the 8K I would have spent on the MR2 plus say another 4K on repairs (maybe more) would make the car probably worth 4 or 5K, while I'm sure I can still sell the XR for 18K plus easy... (figure I only put about 5K miles on it a year)..


MR2's don't spin unless you screw up ........ don't screw up, no spin. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
There are plenty of mods for the 5sfe ....... mr2oc.com.
MR2's hold their value extremely well, especially the 93-95 turbo.

over the past few years I've had a 93 probe gt, 97 probe gt, 99 prelude, 89 bronco, 85 ramcharger, 91 mr2 turbo, 82 rx7, and 90 rx7.
Wait for the XRunner. It's worth every penny.
I've put 1200 miles on mine in under a week. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

also, curvy plastic like bumper covers are often a slightly different color (easily seen on black) because of the added flex agents needed in the paint. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it is common on many vehicles.

Pimp info... As for spinning out, I'm planning to drive whatever I have pretty hard, so given the nature of the MR2, I know it'll spin out with my lead happy foot... Also my sub-par heel toe skills... I can only do 5 > 3 and 4 > 2 on most cars... Single gears requires to little gas and I alwayw over rev...

Hopefully I'll get used to the different color bumper then http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I didn't read all the posts, but you've had many chances to get an X already. You are being too picky about the mileage. With what you are going to do with it, how bad could it really get beat on a few test drives? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Pimp info... As for spinning out, I'm planning to drive whatever I have pretty hard, so given the nature of the MR2, I know it'll spin out with my lead happy foot... Also my sub-par heel toe skills... I can only do 5 > 3 and 4 > 2 on most cars... Single gears requires to little gas and I alwayw over rev...

Hopefully I'll get used to the different color bumper then http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



drove a 91turbo with tein ha suspension back to back vs my truck today through seriously technical twisties ........ mr2 hands down, but the truck did great. should be better once i've found the limits.

my bumper is cloudier too ....... still puts a smile on my face everytime I walk out to her since I'm about to go for a fun drive. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I didn't read all the posts, but you've had many chances to get an X already. You are being too picky about the mileage. With what you are going to do with it, how bad could it really get beat on a few test drives? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



I'm going to track it, but I'm going to break it in nice and proper before I do anything to it... I don't think any of us here would be happy letting someone they have no clue about drive their truck after it is theirs for 50 or so odd miles... I'm the type that don't even let valets touch my car even if it was my 91 Camry...

Eh, I know it's a real personal reference, but yeah I'm so poor I have to milk everything out of my dollars http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

MKIV Supra.. hands down.

http://elit3.com/upload/supra4.jpg

Do you know any on sale worth buying? I don't http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I see them posted on the local forums and all but they're costing way more than 25K for a decent condition one... Turbos are almost non exsistant...

I'm a regular over at Supra Forums (http://www.supraforums.com) because I plan on buying one before long. I'm not sure if I'm looking to buy a twin-turbo, but maybe a naturally aspirated model and do a turbo kit later. The cars are easy to find for sale.. maybe not local, but you can find them. You can find well taken care of turbo models for roughly $20k now.. considering you will be ok with an auto. The 6spd cars are closer to $30k because they are much more desired. The car I'm interested in should be around $15-17k.. I want 97-98 black NA with very low mileage. I let one pass me up awhile back that was on Ebay. It was a 97 black 5spd targa with 60k miles.. I could have taken it for around $16k.. so it's not that bad. Just be on the lookout.. if your really interested PM .. and I'll show you where to look GOOD LUCK.