Archive Mega-Thread: X-Runner Big Brakes: Rotora

I just got off the phone with Loren over at Rotora in the City Of Industry. They are very interested in designing one or maybe two big brake kits for the X-runner using my truck. They will most likely be offering a 14.2" rotor kit with 6 piston calipers for people who want to run the stock 18" wheels. They will also be offerring a 16" rotor kit with 8 piston calipers for 20" wheels or bigger. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif



http://www.rotora.com/online-store/scstore/HTML/images/products/big%20brake%20kits/kits_02.gif


They will start the measuring and development of the kit after the sema show.

I thought the X had a optional big brake kit from the dealership? Is it not as big as this one?

The X-Runner will have an optional big brake kit from TRD it is basically a stoptech unit. Rotoras will probably be bigger. And it's always good to have an option. I know that TRD won't have a 16" with 8 piston option. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dang.....what about for us S-Runners http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif We want big brakes

Yeah, I'll offer my SR for a big brake kit if they wish. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'll ask them when I go to drop it off. After the sema show.

I'll ask them when I go to drop it off. After the sema show.


Same bolt pattern, maybe a different mounting bracket for the calipers. Sounds plausible.
Cam2xrunner- any chance you could snap a pic of the front suspension/hub/caliper setup for comparison.

Thanks Cam2. Keep me posted.

I hope this isn't retarded, but when is the Sema show? Boy would it be great if they'd make us a kit. I may just buy it http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I hope this isn't retarded, but when is the Sema show? Boy would it be great if they'd make us a kit. I may just buy it http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


First weekend in Nov.

Cam2Xrunner,
Make sure they know they could make a good chunk of $bling$ from us S-Runner guys on this site...Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssseeee http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I will make them make a big brake kit for you S-Runner guys http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. I'll start a post on it and print it out and show them the amount of people interested in a Big Brake Kit.

I'm going tommorrow to get the X-Runner measured for the Big brake kit.....

tell them if they price it low, i'll be down.

Some of you know that URD has been working on big brake project for a while now. Well, engineering and prototyping has been done and the things are on a test truck right now. We just got to find a wheel to fit for the road test and then we can take orders.

My partner was begging me not to say anything, but I am posting this to force this project that has dragged on long enough to get finished.

The first application is going to be for the 4x4 Tacomas, 4Runners, and PreRunners. The SRunner and 2 wheel drive trucks will be done very soon.

It really looks like we can do a great price for the quality product. More on that later.

I have looked very closely at Rotora brakes. They are very nice. See if they can do that wild flower type brake rotor design for the SRunner. That would be so cool.

Not trying to thread jack, but I can't hold it in any longer....

Gadget

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Gadget,
Nice of you to come to the table...... very smart...cuz you know we'll buy from you before anyone else (if quality/price is GREAT http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif).....what size are you gonna offer for us S guys etc. I'm very interested but wanna know more http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/clapping.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/clapping.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/clapping.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/clapping.gif
Gadget, when's the URD web site going to get "revamped"?

Not soon enough. It is killing me. That is one of Brian's projects and like me he has to much on his plate and we can't seem to get stuff done like we want.

We have scetched it all out and when it is done it will make some kind of sense, trust me. The current format was good when we got going, but we have outgrown it way to fast, much faster then we expected.

Gadget

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Ok, they did the measuring for the big brake kit. They will be offerring the two kits. 14.2" w/6piston calipers and 16" w/8piston caliper. I'll be getting the 16" kit for the hell of it. They said it would take anywhere from 30-45 days to have them made and in stock. They will also be making stainless steel brake lines for the front as well as the rear. Still no chance on a rear disk brake kit.

Did they give you any idea what size wheel and back spacing/off set you will need to fit over those brakes?

8 piston, damn. You got more pistons in your brakes then you have in the engine.

Did you ask about their cool flower type rotor design? That would be the coolest thing around.

What color are your calipers going to be?

Gadget

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I forgot to ask him. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gifI'll call him up tommorrow and find out.
No I didn't ask him about that type of rotor. I've seen them before on motorcycles, never on a car-truck. Do you have pictures?

Not too sure on the color, in fact I'd like to get some opinions on what color to chose. Considering I'm going to be going with a polished aluminum rims. Fat Lip and staggered of course. *cough* HRE *cough*

Sorry, no pictures. The POS camera we had took a dump on us.

Some people are really turned off by that flower rotor they have, but it will certainly make your truck stand out.

So, your truck is an X-Runner. Did not someone say they where going to drop off their SRunner to them for mock up work?

Gadget

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OK these are about to start production soon and I need to get opinions on what everyone would like to see get built.

There will be for sure a 15" rotor kit with 8 piston calipers.

Now for the people that want to run the stock wheels it is going to have to be a 13" rotor, but what would you rather have;

A 4 piston kit with 13" rotors MSRP 2,095.00 - stock wheels

or 6 piston calipers w/13" rotors 2,595.00 - stock wheels

We also want to see if there would be any interest in the following.

14" with 6 piston calipers 2,795.00 - 18" wheels but different offset to clear the calipers.

15" with 8 piston calipers 3,695.00 requires 19" with offset to clear calipers.

16" with 8 piston calipers 3,895.00 requires 20"

Now keep in mind the TRD/Stoptech kit is going to retail for around 2300 and includes a 4 piston caliper and 13" rotors.

The Rotora kits will all be 2-piece rotors.
Also the Rotora Big Brake package comes preloaded with the pads and all the hardware. It is a direct bolt on kit. They also come with stainless steel brake lines for the front with the option of adding the rear brake lines for an extra 100 bucks or so.

These pricess are to give a general idea of pricing. It may be subject to change.

OK these are about to start production soon and I need to get opinions on what everyone would like to see get built.

There will be for sure a 15" rotor kit with 8 piston calipers.

Now for the people that want to run the stock wheels it is going to have to be a 13" rotor, but what would you rather have;

A 4 piston kit with 13" rotors MSRP 2,095.00 - stock wheels

or 6 piston calipers w/13" rotors 2,595.00 - stock wheels

We also want to see if there would be any interest in the following.

14" with 6 piston calipers 2,795.00 - 18" wheels but different offset to clear the calipers.

15" with 8 piston calipers 3,695.00 requires 19" with offset to clear calipers.

16" with 8 piston calipers 3,895.00 requires 20"

Now keep in mind the TRD/Stoptech kit is going to retail for around 2300 and includes a 4 piston caliper and 13" rotors.

The Rotora kits will all be 2-piece rotors.
Also the Rotora Big Brake package comes preloaded with the pads and all the hardware. It is a direct bolt on kit. They also come with stainless steel brake lines for the front with the option of adding the rear brake lines for an extra 100 bucks or so.

These pricess are to give a general idea of pricing. It may be subject to change.





My #1 choice, and if they make it, this will probaly be the kit i buy
6 piston calipers w/13" rotors 2,595.00 - stock wheels

my #2 choice, and what i'd buy if i plan on getting after market wheels

15" with 8 piston calipers 3,695.00 requires 19" with offset to clear calipers.

those are the one's i think they should make, altho a little costly, i think they need something with 6 or more pistons that fit the stock wheels.

and my #3 choice would be a A 4 piston kit with 13" rotors MSRP 2,095.00 - stock wheels.

but if they don't have atleast 6 pistons on a kit that uses stock wheels, i'd probaly shop somewhere else.

This is for the X, correct?

What we need are some pictures of what these things look like or close to what they are going to look like from another application. Lets face it, looks do matter.

So, what is the advantage of having more pistons other then being more expensive?

What have they done to ensure the system is properly balanced with the rear brakes?

Gadget

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This is for the X, correct?

What we need are some pictures of what these things look like or close to what they are going to look like from another application. Lets face it, looks do matter.

So, what is the advantage of having more pistons other then being more expensive?

What have they done to ensure the system is properly balanced with the rear brakes?

Gadget

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Word!!

I'm wondering about the rear braking too... Without proper balance you're going to plow and over... This is why the TRD don't seem so bad sometimes since they have proper testing (assuming)...

I personally would have to base it on test #s... You can have 24 pistons and 23" rotors, it won't matter nor can we tell what performance we're buying...

However I don't think I'll be one of the first ones to pick a set of whatever up since the price is pretty hard for me to save up for...

Hopefully I can meet some folks that'll buy a set and I'll give it a whirl...

The 6 piston 13" seems right up the alley tho...

Yeah I think what will end up happenning is they are going to have a 13" rotor with 6 piston calipers and the 15" and 8 piston kit.
http://www.next-gear.com/catalog/images/rotora-6POT.jpg

http://www.next-gear.com/catalog/images/rotora-4POT.jpg

2-PIECE 355x32MM OVERSIZE SLOTTED DISCS
ROTORA HIGH-CERAMIC COMPETITION PADS PADS
STAINLESS STEEL BRAKE LINES
CARBON STEEL MOUNT BRACKET
6-PISTON CALIPER


Fully cast and CNC machined to ensure the highest quality; Rotora's high performance brake system enables superior brake modulation while improving overall pedal feel to ensure equal distribution of weight transfer when braking. To achieve this proportional front-to-rear brake bias, Rotora’s 2-piece cast aluminum calipers are fine tuned by increasing the clamp load to the optimal level while utilizing the stock master cylinder to retain overall front-to-rear brake bias. Rotora’s high performance brake system is comprised of a set of oversize slotted/cros-drilled directional discs, a set of high calipers, carbon steel (S45C) mounting brackets, Rotora ceramic friction material race pads, and stainless-steel braided brake lines (D.O.T. compliant). All Rotora brake systems are direct bolt on replacement with minimal modifications required.

Optional upgrades include Rotora's high-ceramic formulated competition pads: an optimal sports pad for endurance/track performance, while providing higher coefficient of friction which work exceptionally well under high temperatures.

Are they ONLY doing it in slotted format? I don't want to be buying pads every (well I don't drive much but all local) few months...

I was hoping it would at least be cross drilled or something...

The TRD kit isn't slotted is it?

Edit: Daymn and the pads that come with it will be ceramic only? Then the slots will really dig into the pocket books http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Ceramic brakes usually cool and hold brake value well enough to not need fancy cooling... Replacing them will be a pain in the wallet...

I had slotted big brakes on my camry with akebono ceramics pads and had over 40k on them. They didn't look more than 30 percent worn. Alot of hard braking as well.

Crossdrilled have been known to crack.

I'd go for blank rotors but slotted looks sweet.

I had slotted big brakes on my camry with akebono ceramics pads and had over 40k on them. They didn't look more than 30 percent worn. Alot of hard braking as well.

Crossdrilled have been known to crack.

I'd go for blank rotors but slotted looks sweet.



Word... Blank rocks, but I was hoping for cross drilled thinking the pads aren't ceramic... Now that I know it is, wishing for blank ones are probably better...

Are they still using your truck or are they ready to start pumping them out?

Hope you get a few rounds with them and provide some unbaised reviews http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I might be out 3 years before I can save up that much... I was hoping they would charge ~2K for a 13" 6 piston kit... $500 won't take more than an extra month tho when my payments are done...

They got all the measurements they needed a long time ago, but they've been really busy I guess. Loren at Rotora is basically waiting on the outcome of this thread and what the highest demand will be. I was hoping the 14" kit would fit with the stock 18's but it doesn't work right with the offset of the stock 18" rims. It looks like the 13" with 6 piston calipers would be the best way to go and still be bigger than any other big brake kit(trd/stoptech)

If anyone was interested in a 16" kit it could be made but would be special order only. The 15" kit with 8 piston calipers should be more than enough brakes to bring the fastest XR to a halt.

I'll find out tomorrow if they can do blank rotors as well but Loren said they have had good results with the slotted. He also mentioned that they average around 30k on a set of pads on most street driven vehicles. Mileage will vary of course.


EDIT:The TRD Big Brake kit is slotted

LOL don't want to make this into a chat, but this is the first serious mod I'm going to save up for...

How does offset create problems for the brake rotor? Offset just determines how far in / our the rim rides over the center line... The height of the calipers should clear as long as it clears at any other offset.. Well answer not important, just gotta see how well it fills the 18"s when they have it intalled...

So when time comes, how much are pad replacements? Might be too early to tell, but since we're at it... My mileage might be a lot less than 30k since I drive 149.329048234% local... Stop sign every block... Maybe once every week I see 20 miles of freeway...

I just hope they do try to make a blank one... Even if I bring it to track day, it won't run more than 3 hot laps at a time... Might as well use the brakes more for normal driving where I find it to be really lacking!!!

A 4 piston kit with 13" rotors MSRP 2,095.00 - stock wheels

The offset creates problems for the caliper when going for a 14" rotor. The height of the rotor and caliper will fit it's just that it would rub against the inside corner of the rim. The 13" with 6 piston is the biggest you can go on the stock wheels. I am not too sure how much pads will cost. Probably no more than 75 dollars. On their site they sell Axxis pads.

i want this $hit for my pre-taco

Ok Rotora decided they are going to offer a 13" Two piece Rotor with a 4 piston caliper. This is the kit that will work with the stock wheels.

There is also going to be a 14" kit with 6 piston calipers that will clear 18" wheels but not the stock wheels. You will have to get an 18" wheel that is designed with big brake kits in mind. You don't neccesarily have to change the stock offset.

The 4 piston 13" kit will retail for 2095.00
I'll find out how much the 6 piston kit will retail for tomorrow and edit this part.

I will try to get a group buy set up for CT, as well as an estimated production delivery time. Keep an eye on this thread for updates.

If I'm not wrong the TRD kit is also a 13" 2 piece 4 piston with steel braided lines for $2,3xx right? That is also covered under warrenty too right?

The question now is $300 worth warrenty?

I might be totally blowing air here... Especially officially I haven't heard anything from dealers as an option...

Just wanted to see if this comparison is right...

Yes the TRD kit is a 2 piece rotor with 4 piston calipers. The Rotora kit pretty much has the same specs. I'm going to see if we can get a group rate for this board. The brake kit shouldn't affect warranty any much more than the TRD kit. The TRD and the Rotora kit will both have warranties on their components.

It's always good to have options. Rotora will build you a customized kit however you like it. Different colors are also an option. You might also be able to get blank rotors as opposed to slotted. Some people prefer not to have slotted/crossdrilled.

Basically just trying to give XRunner owners more options, which is always a good thing.

BTW I wonder if this kit will work for the other 2005 Tacoma 5 lug owners as well.

WOW thats a cool thing yes! But why are they so fawking $$$$$$$ Thats as much as a supercharger http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif. I bet they work great I just can't see $2k on just the front brakes.

Like I've said before all big brake kits are expensive. Not just for an X-Runner. look at any other big brake kit on the market, most of them are 1495.00 for a one piece rotor. When you step up to a 2 piece rotor things get more expensive. I'll talk to Loren at Rotora and see if maybe they'll offer a one piece rotor as an option to save money. The 2-piece rotors weigh less and have better cooling due to the fact that the hat is aluminum. Which in turn leads to being less prone to warpage as well as decreased chances of brake fade.

The TRD kit is even more expensive. The point here is you are getting a quality product at a better price than the TRD/Stoptech unit with more choices for customization.

Hey Cam, how does resurfacing a slotted rotor work? Just the same?

You can resurface it the same way, no problem.

The two piece rotor might make things different, maybe we could get an answer there.

Gadget

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I'm pretty sure you'd turn a 2 piece the same way. The rotor is replaceable as well, just keep the hats.

The idea of the two piece design is that the rotor is not locked hard to the hat and it is allowed to move in and out slightly. If that is the case that will play havok with a brake lathe.

It might be one of those deals where you just throw away the rotors and replace them with new ones and bolt them to the hats.

At least with the larger brakes this should not be needed nearly as often as those tiny stock brakes.

Gadget

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So $2000 later and I'll still have rear drums? Is Rotora doing anything about that? I'd rather upgrade the rears to discs first before I make the front a massive 13/"14"

You know rear discs are mostly or purely cosmetic right 8ate8...

While all $2,000 for front brakes will go to performance... (I have to admit for those that want slotted rotors, that counts at cosmetic too)...

I for one wouldn't want to spend 2K on a set of rear discs... Was a good thought, but it dosen't do nothing...

Not purely, or even mostly for that fact. There's a reason Corvettes and Vipers have 4 wheel disc. Hell, my Super Coupe has 4 wheels disc. They're performance cars. My LX tbird has rear drums. Non-performance vehicle. The X is a performance truck. It should have 4 wheel disc.

Don't know the exact figures, but isn't it like 70/30 for front/rear brakes for the actual percentage of stopping they do? If rear brakes were cosmetic, there wouldn't be any http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

the 30% is well taken care of by the drums... disc brakes will show little to no performance..

The truck stock was tested and developed with drum brakes... Changing it to disc might even disrupt the brake balance and eventually lock your rears up prematurely...

I wouldn't compare out cars to theirs... If they WERE real performance cars, they should have ceramic disc brakes...

Seroiusly, 2K for front brakes will show improvement, 2K for rear discs, you'll see non...

If you have to disrupt anything, make it the front, cause thats where the weight shifts...

www.sosperf.com (http://www.sosperf.com) has a rear disc brake conversion already for the X-Runner. I saw an ebay ad for 895.00 or 995.00( can't remember). They need to update their site already and let us in on the info with the procharger.

Unfortunately Rotora doesn't want to get involved in a rear disc brake conversion.

I personally feel the rear disc brakes will give some needed performance but also really makes it look better as well. And once you have upgraded the front brakes it will probably work pretty well together.

Rotora:

OPTION 1:

ROTORA BIG BRAKE KIT (FRONT)

2-PIECE SYSTEM 330X30MM (13")OVERSIZE SLOTTED/DRILLED DISCS

ROTORA HIGH-CERAMIC RACE PADS

STAINLESS STEEL BRAKE LINES

CARBON STEEL (SC45) MOUNT BRACKET

4-PISTON CALIPER(RED OR METALLIC BLUE)

LIST PRICE: $2,095.00



OPTION 2:

ROTORA BIG BRAKE KIT (FRONT)

2-PIECE SYSTEM 355X32MM (14")OVERSIZE SLOTTED/DRILLED DISCS

ROTORA HIGH-CERAMIC RACE PADS

STAINLESS STEEL BRAKE LINES

CARBON STEEL (SC45) MOUNT BRACKET

6-PISTON CALIPER (RED OR METALLIC BLUE)

LIST PRICE: $2,795.00



OPTION 3:

ROTORA BIG BRAKE KIT (FRONT)

2-PIECE SYSTEM 380X34MM (15")OVERSIZE SLOTTED/DRILLED DISCS

ROTORA HIGH-CERAMIC RACE PADS

STAINLESS STEEL BRAKE LINES

CARBON STEEL (SC45) MOUNT BRACKET

8-PISTON CALIPER (RED OR METALLIC BLUE)

LIST PRICE: $3,695.00

hah, I guess this means my only option is the 4 piston one http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Yeah they get a little pricey when you jump up from that one. But that kit will be more than enough.

Pair it with the rear disc conversion from www.sosperf.com (http://www.sosperf.com) and it'll be killer.

I decided to go with the 14" with 6 piston. I'm going to stay with 18"s in the front and 19" wheels in the back, with a fat lip.

Eww, don't go hot rod tires... You are better off rotating with same size rims man... You're going to mess up your trucks handling by having bigger / smaller rims...

I'd say bad idea http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif But hey it's your truck http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I just want pics with whatever you are going to do http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Naw I wouldn't call it hot rod style. Staggered. wider in the back

http://www.aaarims.com/wheels/rondell-58-staggered.JPG

Corvettes are setup like this. Alot of track cars are staggered.

But they were developed like that http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

It's a toss up tho, whatever it feels like you can get used to it I guess... There is no math to figure out the gains you'll get until you do it and test it...

Like I said, just pics us man http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

While wider, taller tires in the back look great on camaros, corvettes, vipers, etc.. I just don't imagine it looking that "right" on a truck, ya know? Interested to see, however. Maybe it'll look badass http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif And seems I'll be going with the 13" as well. Unless the 14" can clear the stock wheels?

The tires in the rear aren't going to be taller, just wider and less tire profile compared to the front. Same overall diameter, just less sidewall.

The 14" kit with 6 piston calipers doesn't clear the stock 18"s due to the design of the wheel. It will however fit under an 18" rim designed with big brake kits in mind, or a wheel with a different offset.

I meant taller wheel, not tire. They look fine with bigger rims on vettes, etc, but curious as to how it'll look on the X. Wonder if it'll even be noticeable with only a 1" difference.

Yeah it'll be kinda sublte, but I like the look. I'm kinda just thinking about it while I have time, I might end up going same size all around, we'll see.

It would also make you unable to rotate your tires unless you remove the tire from the rim and then swap left/right (assuming you go with directional tread, which i assume you would)...

wow man cantwait for that sos supercharger for the x still not sure if i willbe going turbo or supercharge i do know i'm going turbo on my 3.4 taco check out the pics just got it painted si blue baby love it let me know what you guys think ?

i love your trucks.......especially the red one !! lol. that blue turned out very nice.

yea there we go

ya know, if i didn't see the other pictures of that, i'd say that pic was photoshopped. the blue is so saturated with color http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif looks good.

thanks guys i post some more with the turboon the 3.4 when its done i hope soon

Lookin good mike! Can't wait to see some pictures of the X runner!

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thanks i got some x runner pic in my gallery

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The pics of his Tacoma are the best part of this thread. http://www.customtacos.com/ubbthreads/files/440566-taco2jpeg%20lil.JPG

I agree it's a badass truck. Just didn't want to get this thread off topic. If you don't like the brake kit or the pricing of it or whatever you don't have to put in your 2 cents about it in this thread and other threads about this topic. You don't have to buy this product(the kit for the S). But I know some people might be interested. It gets kind of discouraging when you try to help out a group of people and try to get a new product into development then you got people trying to talk bad about it.

I agree. Hey I'm putting up my truck for measurements and I don't know what kind of deal they may or may not cut me. Bottom line is if I don't like the price or what I'm getting I don't have to buy. Just let everyone make their own decision. If you want to offer alternatives, I think that's o.k. but I don't think we should out-right come out and start talking smack about it. Thanks for the work Cam2.

cant wait to get some big brakes for my x runner plus some more hps baby

I've been doing more driving with the truck... I've gotten so used to it now my driving in other cars just make me over brake... I still find it lacking but should last me until my pads needs to be replaced...

We're going to be doing the final test fitting this week, then they should be in stock in about 2 months.

There is a groupbuy going on right now, but there will also be another when they are actually ready.

http://www.customtacos.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=530786&Main=530782#Post53 0786

6 Piston
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4 Piston
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4 Piston Metallic Blue Option
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6 Piston Metallic Blue Option
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You can pick slotted or drilled/slotted. Msrp is 2,095 for the 4 piston 13" kit and 2,795.00 for the 6 Piston Kit. All kit's come with all mounting hardware, Stainless Steel Braided and Shielded lines. Only Modifications needed is to bend the backing plate, or remove it completely.

10% off for CT members.

I no longer work for Rotora(too far of a drive, and not enough income), but you can still contact me for the discount. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

The kit will be ready in less than 2 months. Other colors can be picked if you like but there is an extra charge.

will these work on a 2wd??? cuz if they do I'm sold!!!

Maybe. They could do a test fit if you are willing to drive to City of Industry.

SHlT yeah if it means get som 4 piston rotors for half or free!!! BLUE PLEASE!!

i have 2 questions http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

whats the dif between the 6 and 4 piston (yeah i dont know)?

do they fit on the x?

thanks.

The 6 piston caliper is bigger than the 4 piston(2 more pistons)

Pistons are what push against the pad that squeezes the rotor. It gives you increased stopping power and better heat dissipation.

This kit was designed for the XRunner. Bot hthe 4 piston kit and 6 piston kit fit the stock wheels.

Looks good, which ones did you end up getting (color/pistons)?

I'm getting the 6 Piston 14" kit, but not for a while though. I don't have the funds(yes I still have to pay some too)

ill try and keep this thread in mind when im ready to get new brakes.

SHlT yeah if it means get som 4 piston rotors for half or free!!! BLUE PLEASE!!



you will be the first in the world as far as I know who will have 4 piston rotors.... damn technologie is getting crazy..... no calipers needed anymore next they wont even need 4 or 6 piston rotors just a 6 piston rim....hahahahah

You know they can just make stationary calipers and have 4 pistons push the rotors out towards the calipers http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif However it's so much more weight to push rotors than some dinky brake pads...

You know they can just make stationary calipers and have 4 pistons push the rotors out towards the calipers http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif However it's so much more weight to push rotors than some dinky brake pads...



ive heard of those and was just giving racerx(alfred) a hard time....

You know they can just make stationary calipers and have 4 pistons push the rotors out towards the calipers http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif However it's so much more weight to push rotors than some dinky brake pads...



ive heard of those and was just giving racerx(alfred) a hard time....



I was just kidding too, I didn't know they even made such things http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/jawdrop.gif

i think it was a solid piece like a rotor and their is a center caliper type thing that pushes the rotors outward kind of like a rear drum setup but have the rotors push against the pads.....two in an outward setup and have four brake pads.... i cant for the life of me find the pic hang on im looking....

That must be hell for cooling tho http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/jawdrop.gif

i think it was a race bike hmmm with a viper motor in it?? Damn i cant find this crap....

http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/tomahawk.html

This mahsuka?

jesus christ no not that one but one similar but mot as futuristic looking....totally different front and rear setup.//////

ok, so this covers the front end setup.. the rears are still stock drums? That cant be very balanced in my mind with all that stopping power up front and nothing to compensate for the rear.

Nose Dive anyone?

no, no nose dive. its only what 15% power in the rear?

no, no nose dive. its only what 15% power in the rear?



wont this effect things like anti lock/abs and all that?

no, no nose dive. its only what 15% power in the rear?



wont this effect things like anti lock/abs and all that?



no, you still use all of your stock abs components. only difference being you can activate the ABS anywhere you want, stab the brakes at 100 and its instant tire growl....

no, no nose dive. its only what 15% power in the rear?



wont this effect things like anti lock/abs and all that?



no, you still use all of your stock abs components. only difference being you can activate the ABS anywhere you want, stab the brakes at 100 and its instant tire growl....



How do you figure the anti lock will work with a larger diametor rotor and 4 or 6 piston calipers? Would a MS change be needed for it or is it just a bolt on and go front end kit? I still dont understand how this is going to be a balanced setup if the front end has so many extra pistons to push and more fluid volumn needed.. Are they just makin all of the pistons tiny and it uses the same amount of fluid and pressure to achieve stock pressures? Not sure if I worded that right tho..

The kits are designed to work with the ABS system and the stock master cylinder. All kits by all manufactures-Brembo,Stoptech,Baer, etc, design their kits to work with the ABS system and the stock master cylinder(unless otherwise noted by the manufacturer)

The benefit of the larger brake calipers and rotors are better heat dissipation and more leverage from the bigger rotor.

It just works good http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

Any news on the S-Runner Big Brakes?

Any news on the S-Runner Big Brakes?


I'll email them and see what's up.

Still a few months out. They're pretty busy right now, but do plan on doing it soon.

If you want to do a pre-payment, the kit can be had in about 60 days. MSRP would most likely be 2,095.00

The ABS wheel sensor is in the hub and is not part of the rotor on Tacomas--some vehicles, it is--then, they (Brake parts maker) just incorporate a new sensor ring into the rotor. As far as I know, the only thing else that can throw off the functionality of the ABS is a drastically larger or smaller overall wheel diameter--the rotor size makes no difference. ABS computers today also seem to be more forgiving to changes then they use to be.

Nice kit though; who made the calipers? Brembo? Stoptech? Willwood?

The ABS wheel sensor is in the hub and is not part of the rotor on Tacomas--some vehicles, it is--then, they (Brake parts maker) just incorporate a new sensor ring into the rotor. As far as I know, the only thing else that can throw off the functionality of the ABS is a drastically larger or smaller overall wheel diameter--the rotor size makes no difference. ABS computers today also seem to be more forgiving to changes then they use to be.

Nice kit though; who made the calipers? Brembo? Stoptech? Willwood?



Thank's for the proper explanation http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

Rotora makes the calipers.

Has anyone tried these yet?

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/brakes/39431-tacoma-omgwtfbbk-2/

Personally I think the stock brakes on my XR suck.
The pedal feels spongy, and there is a complete lack of confidence making a panic stop (especially when the car in front is getting closer & closer).

I'm still waiting for the group buy Cam2Xrunner is putting together..... http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/images/smilies/sleephappy.gif

Rotara 332mm kit (http://www.toyotapartsstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_239&products_id=5338) - $1,688.23

Rotara 355mm kit (http://www.toyotapartsstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_239&products_id=5339) - $2,280.43

It doesn't say if these are 5 or 6 lug though. http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

those look really nice, does the blue option for the calipers match the swb?

Will look into, I really look the rear conversion.

My bad.... :doah: these are actually Rotora brakes.
I don't see a rear kit though.

These calipers (sp) look like poop. The same as the bbk sos is selling I believe.

Here is the Rotora BBK for the Xrunner 4 Pistons and 6 Pistons :D

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k262/PR_Xrunner/6-Piston-Brake-System.jpg


http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k262/PR_Xrunner/4-Piston-Brake-System.jpg

looks good but prolly cost an arm and leg!

Sick!!:headbang: I am wondering what the prices are as well. I am sure the 6 piston is up there but I am wondering how the 4 piston is priced compared to the TRD:thinking:

looks pretty expensive to me ...stockers will do just fine

looks pretty expensive to me ...stockers will do just fine

:exactly:

how much

Rotora 4-piston: $1,795.99

Rotora 6-piston:$2342.19

vs.

TRD 4-piston BBK:

Dealer price: $2,260.00 Discount price: $2,046.00

Hmm if i had a couple g's to burn I'd go with Rotora. Couldn't find the BBK on URD's site for Stop Tech to compare all three in prices...btw google is everyone's best friend!

the 335 ml 4piston looks like the set up for me.:meemee: :bow:

looks like the set up for me too, but i think the X is gonna stay pretty close to stock so i have some money for the 87 camaro project im gonna be starting in march.

I forgot to mention that as of today the don't have a rear conversion disk yet!

looks pretty expensive to me ...stockers will do just fine

Hell yeah man! :waytogo:

They cost less than the TRD!


Hello 6 piston BBK can't be better

why can't I find anything on their website about it?

Rotora 4-piston: $1,795.99

Rotora 6-piston:$2342.19

vs.

TRD 4-piston BBK:

Dealer price: $2,260.00 Discount price: $2,046.00

Hmm if i had a couple g's to burn I'd go with Rotora. Couldn't find the BBK on URD's site for Stop Tech to compare all three in prices...btw google is everyone's best friend!








Who gave you this price?

I forgot to mention that as of today the don't have a rear conversion disk yet!

so when this kit comes out , will it only be the fronts? or front and rear? also do you know if we can choose from red or blue? nice find man:waytogo: this kit looks sick and might have to go on the birthday list:loveeyes:

Who gave you this price?

Rotora 4-piston: http://www.nyxracing.com/rotora-front-13in-brake-toyota-tacoma-xrunner-p-21492.html

Rotora 6-piston:
http://underbid.com/action/display/item/1051860212/sku/153424.html

TRD BBK:

http://www.trdsource.com/toyota.asp

I googled the Rotora and TRD BBK...I'm sure you'll probably find sites either cheaper or more expensive its just up to you.......

damn that blue would look HOT with the SWB... http://lucke.mednor.net/drool.gif

These have been out for a while. Here they are being test fitted on my truck about 2 years ago when I worked for them.

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The 6 piston setup works with the stock wheels too :)

:drool: That is sick. If only I had the money:doah:

hot! now to find someone who needs a kidney asap.
i wonder if anyone has tried to retrofit their front discs to the rear when they get a bbk?

Yes you can choose from colors and only the front, there is no kit for the rear.



07XR808 Thanks for the price input since I had a higher one. :waytogo:

The 4 piston has 13" rotors. How big are the 6 piston rotors?

The 4 piston has 13" rotors. How big are the 6 piston rotors?

355mm

beleive me you will stop with 6 piston brake caliper that's out of the question, remember that will fit your stock rim

ok thx, def going on the b-day list now lol.

Doesn't TRD have a warrenty?

355mm

beleive me you will stop with 6 piston brake caliper that's out of the question, remember that will fit your stock rim
:jawdrop: 355 mm = 13.98" Wow

id get them if i didnt run steeies in the winter

I'm looking to haul a trailer with all our household goods along with a honda engine/tranny and a fairly heavy tool chest in the bed across country in a month. Seeing that not a whole lot of people are content with their stock brakes, I've been trying to read up all I can on the different approaches in upgrading brakes. I myself am not too confident in my XR's brakes, especially coming from a brembo equipped car.

I was curious if anyone has actual experience with the rotora brake kit. I've been sifting through threads between here and XRU and haven't found any that's actually running the kit whereas there are plenty that run the TRD/Stoptech kit. I'd be nice, but it's quite a few more greenbacks compared to the rotora kit.

Also, how are replacement parts between the two kits? So far all I've been able to come up with is $331 for a single replacement rotor and $130 replacement pads for the TRD/Stoptech kit. I have yet to find any replacement parts online for the rotora kit.

Initial cost could be offset by the cost of replacement parts which is why I'd like to know more about the rotora kit. Any feedback would greatly be appreciated. If there's other setups worth looking into, let me know. :waytogo:

I guess no one has any experience with the rotora kit?

try asking over on XRU, they may be able to help.

Sorry bud. When did this come on the market? Not being able to find replacement parts for aftermarket stuff could be ugly, for the future.

I used to work there. They used my truck to design the prototypes for the XR.

What I like about them is that you get more options. You can get a 13" rotor with a 6 piston caliper to fit in the stock wheels.

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How well put together is the rotora kit in your opinion? Any difference in pedal feel? How's the availability on replacement parts? Most importantly, how is the braking performance?

Going back to my honda days, a 13/16 MC is too small to push anything bigger than the stock 9.5" front brakes on base model civics. I used a 15/16 MC to get decent pedal feel on 10.3" front rotors with 56mm single piston calipers from an ABS civic or integra. Whereas a non ABS civic with stock 10.3" front brakes use 52mm pistons and a 7/8 MC.

In the case of the XR, a 13/16 MC seems rather small for the stock brakes. I don't like having to practically stand on the brakes just to slow down when some idiot decides to cut me off and slams on their brakes in rush hour traffic. I also have my concerns for when I make my way out to VA with a trailer.

Options are a good thing which is why I'm trying to do my homework on what's out there.

is there anything for 95 taco 2wd? the hub limits swap possibilties.
i looked at the XR with the red Rotora setup. i don't know if the front steering knuckle and hub can be swap into my 95?? so i can get the brake upgrade...

i am building a 400hp motor with 19' wheel - need brakes to finish things.

thanks