XR: Supercharger: General Discussion(s)

[Jonathan]

anyone heard anything new about the 4.0 s/c? i have heard that its not coming out, that it is soon, and that it needs work. the new higher compression is something of concern.........and i dont think the trade in would be worth it with out the s/c!!!

[FlyinS]

anyone heard anything new about the 4.0 s/c? i have heard that its not coming out, that it is soon, and that it needs work. the new higher compression is something of concern.........and i dont think the trade in would be worth it with out the s/c!!!

I certainly wouldn't plop down the money for an X-Runner until I knew for sure that there would be a s/c available. I heard that Toyota / TRD has concerns about the connecting rods holding up to the added power. Could be that higher compression and weaker rods will = no s/c. On the positive side, that would mean that the S-Runner will definately rule over the X-Runner! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif

[RzrBlade]

I personolly wouldnt run a vehicle that has a 10:1 compresion ratio under boost. 9.5 or so would be the max, as long as boost dosnt get very high.

[Firdaddy]

i heard someone on ct has one on their new 05 prerunner/dubcab, but will not reveal where they got it from

[Hot Taco]

I went down to the dealer today to get a part and there was an 05 dub cab long bed on the lot. I could not resist climbing all over it. I discovered that the rear shocks are mounted between the rear tires and the leafspring/frame. This is bad if you want to add some wider tires. All the extra space is gone between the stock tires and the leafspring/frame. The entire center dash piece "IS" the stereo and it's curved. Getting somthing in there that's after market is gonna be a bitch. The bed liner is totaly integrated into the bed It's a pretty trick bed liner but if your looking to put a bed cover on that looks clean your gonna have some trouble with that unless it's a black truck. On the new X-runner the bumper and rear body kit pieces are integrated making a roll pan some serious work. The new X-runner weighs 500 pounds more than the S-runner. Lastly if there's no supercharger the S-runner could potentially shame the new truck. But I did check out the motor It's got VVT-i on it this makes it a pretty ballsy and fuel efficient motor without the S/C. I might start to get more interested if and when the V-8 version comes out. Till then I'm keeping my S-runner.

[onestocktaco]

...The entire center dash piece "IS" the stereo and it's curved. Getting somthing in there that's after market is gonna be a bitch....



I fuggin HATE when they do that... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gifhttp://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Thank you for the info though... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

[rare97srunner]

The main reason I wouldn't get a XR with a S/C is because it will most likely have the same problems as the current S/C. The pinging and nothing to stop it. So we would have to wait years before someone(gadget) comes out with something to fix it. And, it doesn't have 4 wheel disc brakes. And the freaking huge ars wheel wells need 20's just to make them look proper. And putting 20's on-there goes the horsepower and the nice ride. Bye Bye nice ride. And I'm hearing the 6 speed transmission has a truck like shift. Yes, it is a truck. But why would you want a truck like long shift in a "sport truck". If you're going to do it right Toyota, then do it all the way right.

[Deathmetaljoe]

Whats up guys...I just got off the phone with TRD and I asked them about the status of the 4.0L supercharger. From what the rep told me, there actually has NOT been a functional supercharger for the 4.0L engine even tested yet. Also, just to debunk the rumor, the thing with the 4.0's having too high of a compression for boost is not necessarily true. I was told that most of toyotas engines are around that compression, if not higher, and just for example, the new solara's that have an optional supercharger are boosting with 10:4 some'odd compression. So compression shouldn't really be an issue. The rep told me all in all, the likelyhood of the 4.0's being supercharged is highly likely, and will happen in the near future, just not quite yet. Also, as far as the supercharger being centrifical, he told me that they haven't quite decided on whether the potential supercharger is going to be just that, or in fact another roots style setup. However, one of toyotas newer cars, (I forgot which) has a centrifical type, which may have led people to believe that the X-Runner would have one too.

Lets all pray that if/when the new s/c's come out, that they aren't going to have the leanout problems the older ones do, and if they do, that we have someone like gadget cook up a fuel mod real quick to remedy it....

Finally, I'm just reporting what the rep told me, which makes perfect sense to me, but if you think I'm wrong on something, feel free to share what you know, but DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

By the way, does anybody know if the X-Runner is going to still be built in 06, or is Toyota building all 3500 this year? I've called every Toyota source I can think of, and I haven't gotten a clear answer from anyone. Anyway, thanks, and I hope my "research" helps.

[Jonathan]

from what i was told its 700 per year, 3500 total. that means we got 5 years to pick one up, which is about how long toyota goes between body changes.

[Kgrgunman]

screw the s/c.... who needs it?

turbo > s/c

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[odie]

I was talking to a local dealer the other day, they were telling me the s/c for the 4.0 will come out sometime in the 1st quarter, so probaly closer to the 2nd quarter of 2005 is when you can expect them from TRD don't expect discounts though. Info was from friends at TRDparts4u

[Deathmetaljoe]

hahaha seriously man.....but since we live in hippiesville cali., if we want to be legal, we don't really have any alternatives.....which sucks. I'd pick turbo any day over a s/c if there was a smog legal kit.... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif

[Hot Taco]

according to the dealer I spoke to the number of truck being distributed to north america in 2005 will be 3500 units. He knows me so he gave me his training packet to check out it even shows a pic of the x brace which is located almost at the rear of the frame.

[Kgrgunman]

i live in cal. i'm turboing mine.

c'mon now, laws are ment to be broken.

after all, if you buy a XR are you going to do the speed limit? hell no, so you're already breaking laws, one more won't hurt.

[Rambo]

You all might want to take a look at http://www.wynjammer.com/ the guy that runs the business is cool. he's done some serious improvments on supers and has some great pricing on them. i was looking into getting one of his for me chevy but decided just to go ahead and get the new taco and get rid of the chevy.

[colby]

I really hope they do, i mean there would be no point in making a "sport truck" if they didnt have upgrades like that for it. Plus if the make a s/c for my 03 dub cab im pretty sure they will make one for the XR....hopefully

[Gadget@URD]

It depends on who "they" are.

Yes there will be a supercharger and possibly a turbo kit available for the XRunner, but not likely from TRD.

Gadget

www.GadgetOnline.com (http://www.GadgetOnline.com)

[Tacofel]

Colby, like Gadget said DONT COUNT ON IT.
you have a better chance of going with someone other then TRD, they have a bad rap with under engineered products!
Check out www.wynjammer.com (http://www.wynjammer.com) They now offer a SC for the 3.4, and to be honest it would not take much to make it work on the XR.

[colby]

well hopefully www.ststurbo.com (http://www.ststurbo.com) will make a turbo for it like they did the 04's i know they are different so im guessing it might take a while plus sts shows that it can out perform the trd s/c

[Martin_TACO]

anyone with a x-runner near this place? http://www.procharger.com/systems.shtml

[RzrBlade]

well hopefully www.ststurbo.com (http://www.ststurbo.com) will make a turbo for it like they did the 04's i know they are different so im guessing it might take a while plus sts shows that it can out perform the trd s/c



I have seen the sts in person at the track and its not that great of a system either.

[gastafalo_bob]

isn't the compression on the new 4.0L motor to high to supercharge without having major engine issues? The 3.4 is already high enough.

[Martin_TACO]

I haven't seen how much room there is in the 2005s, but the procharger has an optional intercooler. Guessing CR 9 or 10 to 1.

[RzrBlade]

You can still have boost on a motor with 10:1 compression, however not much or else you run a high risk of blowing the motor. Most factory forced induction motors have a C/R ranging through 7:1 - 8.5:1. This allows for reduced pressure caused by the compression, which is then made up for by the boost. I wouldnt reccoment anything over eight or nine PSI on the new 4.0 motor.

[KAuss]

I have no math skills, but I wonder how much power the XR has to the wheels stock...

With a few PSIs, one has to think would the extra compression be worth it... You still can N/A tune the motor... F/I isn't the only way to go, but bang for the buck, it's the cheapest... All I know is, I'll be last in line for this mod... Until the truck is like an extention to my feet and hands, I won't touch the power department hehehe...

From what I remember, I think I can be happy with just another 40 hp increase... Daily driver won't see much love from me http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Firdaddy]

anyone knwo the compression on the 2.4's? ...sorry to jack the thread but it wasnt worth making a new one

[colby]

im sure someone will make something for the x i mean it is toyotas "sport truck"

[Kgrgunman]

i'm sure in under a year someone in so cal will have a turbo'd black XR...

[Jonathan]

then get smoked by someone with an sos intercooled s/c..........(red of course)

[KAuss]

Nah, turbo for sho... S/C won't help you any since first gear is already slipping the hell out of the tires http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif It'll be like saying you put a V6 in a go kart... You'll shred the tires before you'll get any power to the ground... (Well not exactly like that but you know http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif)

[colby]

really? i mean i dont have one yet but i can see that

[AFP520]

here's the wynjammer
http://www.wynjammer.com/ALM1115/Tacoma_Supercharger_Kit.html

looks pretty good.. the belt itself looks a bit thicker than the TRD s/c one... people always ask if i get belt slippage cuz its so thin http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[8ate8]

think anyone will develop a roots-type superchager? i'm a roots type guy http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif own a tbird sc and just love the roots.

[AFP520]

think anyone will develop a roots-type superchager? i'm a roots type guy http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif own a tbird sc and just love the roots.

the prototype they developed im sure was a roots... they are great because they are so easy to install... but the downside is they create alot of heat and they are limited to only so much boost... the 3.4 s/c is a eaton M62 type supercharger, and you really cant get more than 11PSI without blowing it up... even gadget doesn't like to see it push that much... water injection helps alot with the heat btw!

[nitropowered]

anyone knwo the compression on the 2.4's? ...sorry to jack the thread but it wasnt worth making a new one



Its like 8.5:1

[Firdaddy]

ahh thank you.. i was wondering .. my dad's mustang has a 10.5-1 compression and you can hear the engine when its crankign over sounds like a air pump...lol

[8ate8]

think anyone will develop a roots-type superchager? i'm a roots type guy http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif own a tbird sc and just love the roots.

the prototype they developed im sure was a roots... they are great because they are so easy to install... but the downside is they create alot of heat and they are limited to only so much boost... the 3.4 s/c is a eaton M62 type supercharger, and you really cant get more than 11PSI without blowing it up... even gadget doesn't like to see it push that much... water injection helps alot with the heat btw!



well it'd be nice if it was intercooled as well. the roots blower on the SC is "inverted" from a normal application.. the air shoots out the top of the blower, through piping to an IC, and then back into the intake manifold. i routinely hit 14lbs of boost and i'm still running the stock IC. front mount coming this winter. should peg the gauge (15lbs) no problem.. gonna need an aftermarket gauge i guess.

[AFP520]

well it'd be nice if it was intercooled as well. the roots blower on the SC is "inverted" from a normal application.. the air shoots out the top of the blower, through piping to an IC, and then back into the intake manifold. i routinely hit 14lbs of boost and i'm still running the stock IC. front mount coming this winter. should peg the gauge (15lbs) no problem.. gonna need an aftermarket gauge i guess.

i'd assume you're talking about your T-bird... i'd hope they have more room under the hood than a tacoma does, but i still think you're pressed for space when adding a S/C onto the 4.0 v6... right now developing a intercooler for the 3.4 v6 guys was way too hard because of the limited space... i guess this is why centrifugal is better! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

[8ate8]

you've obviously never seen the engine bay of an SC than http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif there is no space! the IC they put in is about the size of a TMIC from a subbie. people have swapped to FMIC in SC's, but then the engine bay becomes REAL tight http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif from looking at the front bumper of the XR, it just SCREAMS "put a front mount ic here please". http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Proteus503]

there is already a supercharger in development for the 4.0L V6, my buddy drove in one a while back. It was, and still is, a prototype, but TRD is working on it! Remember the X-Runner unveiling video from the Chicago auto show last year? A factory installed supercharger will be optional very soon... maybe not for this production year, but I'm sure they'll have it R&D'd by the end of the model year. They're also working on exhaust headers, which were also equipped on the XR that he drove in. It was a factory demo or something, my buddy that drove in it is the technition that I know at my local toyota dealership. He said it really screamed... easily over 300hp. I think that this was at the SEMA show?

edit: 2.4 and 2.7 (2rz / 3rz) compression ratio is 9.5:1

[Gadget@URD]

There was no '05 Taco at the SEMA show with a supercharger.

Gadget

www.GadgetOnline.com (http://www.GadgetOnline.com)

[Enola Gaia]

Just wonderin'... Toyota / TRD gave everyone the impression they'd be offering an S/C for the XR a year ago at the Detroit Auto Show unveiling. Since then, they seem to have backed off (or at least gone mute on the subject). The rumor mill has it that they've dropped the idea, but I just haven't seen positive confirmation...

[KAuss]

Someone else already posted about the 11 sec XR project... I'm just curious as to how close they can get...

[rare97srunner]

11 seconds eh? Ferrari Enzo, Ford GT, Porsche Carerra GT all 11 seconds. So, how big a shot of nitrous needs to be used to get to 11 seconds with that supercharger. Sounds like trouble or more like
one-off vehicle.

[OpetH83]

11 second XR my ass.

[JLCramer13]

11 second XR my ass.



Lol... what's that supposed to mean?? You could make a geo metro go 11 seconds if you have the time and $$$. Just because you have a big jump on us with SRT, doesn't mean there isn't gonna be an 11 second X. Oh yeah... I believe the X beat the SRT in the course by more than a second in Sport truck magazine.


The X-Runner blistered the slalom, with a best speed of 63.67 mph. (That, by the way, breaks the record by a little more than 1 mph for this test set last year by the SRT-10 Ram.) In terms of cold-stop braking, it posted a best of the competition at 119.8 feet. Not only that, but the brakes were almost totally fade-resistant, with the average distance in the fade test a mere 123 feet. Credit has to go to the big-brake option on the X-Runner and the finely tuned suspension. When this truck hit the binders, there is very little nose dive; it just rotates slightly and grabs ground.



Sport Truck Magazine (http://sporttruck.com/featuredvehicles/0502st_stoy/index4.html)

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[SHO NUFF]

11 second XR my ass.


Suck a nut pokey. Your 500hp beast barely manages 13's. That is if you really had one.

[rednecktaco]

11 second XR my ass.


Suck a nut pokey. Your 500hp beast barely manages 13's. That is if you really had one.


give him hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[wardawg2003]

11 second XR my ass.


Suck a nut pokey. Your 500hp beast barely manages 13's. That is if you really had one.


give him hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif



you shoulda known better http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickknock.gif

[OpetH83]

1. The Ram SRT-10 was not made to be a slip-slidin race course truck. The X-Runner obviously was. The SRT-10 was designed to blow the doors off of things in a straight line. It handles fairly well for a truck that sits so high, but it is fairly impossible to get it any lower due to the fact that is has 22 inch rims (which HAD to be put on just to connect the horsepower to the ground). You have to understand that the amount of power my plant puts out makes it hard for corners, because under any sort of power, those tires want to break loose, EVEN with that much rubber on the floor.

2. The amount of modification required to make an XR 11 seconds is ridiculous and you would probably make your engine jump thru your hood in the meantime. It just isn't feasible. You're dealing with a truck, first of all, with a V6. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

3. Yes, my baby manages mid 13s. Stock. I have yet to put any performance modifications on it. I plan to send it to Hennessey once I get refi'd and save some cash up. Then my baby will be running high 10s.

4. My truck is prettier than yours. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif

[SHO NUFF]

1. The Ram SRT-10 was not made to be a slip-slidin race course truck. The X-Runner obviously was. The SRT-10 was designed to blow the doors off of things in a straight line. It handles fairly well for a truck that sits so high, but it is fairly impossible to get it any lower due to the fact that is has 22 inch rims (which HAD to be put on just to connect the horsepower to the ground). You have to understand that the amount of power my plant puts out makes it hard for corners, because under any sort of power, those tires want to break loose, EVEN with that much rubber on the floor.

2. The amount of modification required to make an XR 11 seconds is ridiculous and you would probably make your engine jump thru your hood in the meantime. It just isn't feasible. You're dealing with a truck, first of all, with a V6. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

3. Yes, my baby manages mid 13s. Stock. I have yet to put any performance modifications on it. I plan to send it to Hennessey once I get refi'd and save some cash up. Then my baby will be running high 10s.

4. My truck is prettier than yours. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif



1. 22 inch rims do not help put power to the ground.

2. The truck that will take major mods to get into the 11's is yours.

3. As far as I know the Viper motor is alot farther along in the "performance modification" department than a Toyota truck motor.

And 4. That wing is the gayest thing I've ever seen on a truck. Do yourself a favor, tie it to a tree and go for a drive.

[CASlim]

I'm curious why they went with the Procharger and not a Vortech. The Vortech is much more reliable and the inlet faces the other direction, which would line up perfectly. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

[Blangkang]

1. The Ram SRT-10 was not made to be a slip-slidin race course truck. The X-Runner obviously was. The SRT-10 was designed to blow the doors off of things in a straight line. It handles fairly well for a truck that sits so high, but it is fairly impossible to get it any lower due to the fact that is has 22 inch rims (which HAD to be put on just to connect the horsepower to the ground). You have to understand that the amount of power my plant puts out makes it hard for corners, because under any sort of power, those tires want to break loose, EVEN with that much rubber on the floor.




Not to just jump in on your butt.... Even from what you just said is that it seems as if Dodge didn't make the truck as great as there all put up to be. A mini moded with a 4 banger will run a 13 all day if done and was right and will cost about 1/3 less then the dodge. The truck has TOO much power for the truck to handle.

Also WTF are you in a yota forum? Just to rain over everyone or what?

[Cajun-run'n 03']

SHO-NUFF Has a lot less in his truck and could bust your azz in a stright line or corners name your med. Yes it is a v6.

[rednecktaco]

1. The Ram SRT-10 was not made to be a slip-slidin race course truck. The X-Runner obviously was. The SRT-10 was designed to blow the doors off of things in a straight line. It handles fairly well for a truck that sits so high, but it is fairly impossible to get it any lower due to the fact that is has 22 inch rims (which HAD to be put on just to connect the horsepower to the ground). You have to understand that the amount of power my plant puts out makes it hard for corners, because under any sort of power, those tires want to break loose, EVEN with that much rubber on the floor.

2. The amount of modification required to make an XR 11 seconds is ridiculous and you would probably make your engine jump thru your hood in the meantime. It just isn't feasible. You're dealing with a truck, first of all, with a V6. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

3. Yes, my baby manages mid 13s. Stock. I have yet to put any performance modifications on it. I plan to send it to Hennessey once I get refi'd and save some cash up. Then my baby will be running high 10s.

4. My truck is prettier than yours. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif


1 the how tall a rim is has nothing to do with gettin power to the ground. how wide the tire is helps traction not how tall it is, i bet those 22 are heavier than me...
2 i bet for around 35 u could have a reliable xr runnin a lot lower times than u, and have room for a car that gets more than 7 mpg to drive around everyday.
3 i thought the viper motor was a perfromance motor??
4 clean the [censored] out of your eyes and then u would be no where near a dodge lot. i swear they make the ugliest cars and trucks ever made. i would take a escort over a ram or dakota.

[Jeff]

You guys should really calm down with this SRT-10 guy. Ok, so he doesn't have a Tacoma. That's no excuse to be an a@@hole to him. If you don't like what he's saying, add him to your ignore list. It's really easy to do and might even prevent future flame wars like this one.

..just trying to keep the peace...

[Blangkang]

You guys should really calm down with this SRT-10 guy. Ok, so he doesn't have a Tacoma. That's no excuse to be an a@@hole to him. If you don't like what he's saying, add him to your ignore list. It's really easy to do and might even prevent future flame wars like this one.

..just trying to keep the peace...



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[dretaco]

no flamming..... but i would never waste my money on that ugly thing imo........

plus just as stated, jerry use to hit 12's with his 4 banger, and was looking nicer too......

[slamdtaco]

A 3.4 V6 tacoma hit 11s several years ago and ran it consistantly. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif

[Gadget@URD]

true...vortech is still the better S/C though. Procharger has issues w/ leaking plumbing (weak hoses). The quality of it just sucks.



I am not sure what you are basing your opinion on, but the ProCharger is one of the better centrifugal superchargers on the market. Their impeller design is more efficent then the bigger name brands, it uses its own self contained oiling system to reduce heat soak and on and on. That is why the URD uses the ProCharger for the centrifugal projects we have been involved with.

When you speak of hose problems, that has nothing to do with the supercharger.

Anyway, fill me in why the ProCharger is the worst one out there.

Gadget

www.GadgetOnline.com (http://www.GadgetOnline.com)

[SHO NUFF]

You guys should really calm down with this SRT-10 guy. Ok, so he doesn't have a Tacoma. That's no excuse to be an a@@hole to him. If you don't like what he's saying, add him to your ignore list. It's really easy to do and might even prevent future flame wars like this one.

..just trying to keep the peace...


You should read this guys posts. He's the a@@hole.

[OpetH83]

http://shaunpw.homestead.com/files/picture_13_.jpg


Where to start:

First off, I have been anything but an [censored] since I started posting here. Anyone who says otherwise clearly is just trying to look for anything to flame me on because I have a truck that isn't a Toyota.

Secondly, anything any of you say to me doesn't bug me. Flame all you want until your goofy hearts are content. It's your opinion and you're entitled to it, just like am entitled to mine. If you don't like other people's perspectives on things and want only to hear or view opinions that reflect your own, go play in the sandbox by yourself. And don't eat the tootsie rolls.

Point of matter is, I love my truck. I bought it because I have wanted one since it was nothing but a rumor. It's a [censored] truck with a Viper engine in it. The [censored] idea of such a machine gives me a [censored] boner. I'm speaking from a lover of trucks and of fast trucks. If you are anything remotely close to an enthusiast and not just some [censored] who wants to be cool, then you will share my excitement, in a totally heterosexual way. I love all things fast. Why? Because I love going fast.

My truck is a rare thing. It may not seem like it now, but I guarentee you, that the trend of "More horses" production by manufacturers will NOT last much longer. There will come a phasing out of more power, more speed vehicles and another surge of gasoline economical vehicles, just as it did before. The muscle car age of old has come back around again, for those who are too blind to see it. Point being, my truck is as much a splurge for me as it is an investment. You will NOT see many of my trucks running around and you will NOT see many produced. Anybody with a remotely enlightened experience with the muscle cars of old will agree that the SRT-10 will indeed nostalgia inducing collectors item years and years from now. Will a little supercharged Tacoma? You be the judge. My opinion says no. But, that's me.

All in all, if I wanted a supercharged Tacoma, I would have one. If I wanted an X-Runners, I would have one. If I wanted a car that runs 10 second 1/4's, I'd have one. But I wanted an SRT-10, so I bought one. I'm an extremely driven individual in every aspect of my life. Most people my age are still dreaming of their dream car, while I have mine right outside.

So flame on. You aren't bugging anyone. And if I came of as an [censored] to anyone, then you just are just reading it wishing I was an [censored].

You love your Tacomas. I love my SRT-10. I'm not going to change your perspective and you aren't going to change mine. The difference between me and some of you is that I don't mind hearing the other guy's opinion. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[96excabtaco]

Am I on the wrong forum??? Isn't this forum for tacoma owners????

[rednecktaco]

Am I on the wrong forum??? Isn't this forum for tacoma owners????


shhh We think he is lost. He has come to us to set him on the right path. but the young one has much to learn, and many years of practice before he completely understands the right way of being.

[OpetH83]

Oh I'm sorry. I guess having somebody on your site that isn't a fanatic about Tacomas is a little too progressive for some handle, eh?

Anyways, I forgot to address the comment about how 22 inch rims do not help with handling or performance on my truck.

With the gear ratios of this truck and tire width needed, you need a fairly tall tire but yet want a low profile sidewall for handleing purposes. To get that, the 22's come in handy. Our tires are 31.61" tall as compared to

HEMI with 17's = 31.61" (265x70x17)

You can see the tire height is the same but the rim is 5 inches smaller. If the HEMI tires had a very low profile like our tires do, I bet the diameter would go down to about 25.35" Could you imagine

1. What that would look like on the truck ? eesh

2. increase overall gear ratio by lots and maybe make your vehicle undriveable at highway speed.

In contrast, if we had those HEMI 17s on the SRT-10, handleling would be pitiful but our speedos would work just great

I think it is a combination of a performance requirement (HP vs tire width vs gear ratio vs weight of vehicle) and to a point, asthetics that drives what actual rim size is used as I am sure a 20" could have sufficed and most likely would have been better for the 04's with 4.10s. But in the end, the truck designers, whos job revolves around manufacturing such vehicles and obviously have more education on this subject than anybody on this forum, decided to go with a 22 inch rim.

Thanks.

[Cajun-run'n 03']

Dude you have an awsome truck and a very expensive truck the fastest production truck in the WORLD!!!!!!!!! Now with that said take your ass somewhere else and find someone who cares how fast and rare your truck is and is stupid enought to pay 50,000.00 for a freak'n DODGE.

[JLCramer13]

Look bro,

I like the SRT's with the exception of the wing. Your SRT is just as rare as our S's and X's. I personally wasn't trying to bash on you. I was just saying that it is possible to do anything with a car/truck. I'm more than welcome to have non-tacoma owners here, but when they come on to a tacoma enthusiast site and say:

11 second XR my ass.



well what kind of reaction do you expect?? You definitely have a beast of a truck... one that I do enjoy, but there is more to racing than straight lines and you can definitely heave out some power from smaller engine blocks.

BTW... umm... why the picture... you could've just said who the Fawk cares instead of takin your picture with a crayola sign. Just a thought for future reference.

[colby]

opetH just wondering but what are u doing on a tacome site? not trying to start anything j/w

[turbotaco]

OpetH83.....I'll race you for fun...I want to see is i could hang with a v10..Mines only a turbo 4cyl =)..Your local to me so we could set something up..but after I get my truck running in a couple weeks.

[OpetH83]

I am on this site because an [censored] in a blue XR kept trying to be a coolguy and rev his engine next to me out in Torrance. After I gave him what he wanted and blew his doors off, I slowed down to pull up to the guy and at least talk to him. He just drove off, obviously butthurt. I came on here to see if he frequented this site, because, obviously, alot of Tacoma owners come here.

I also came on here because I was considering buying an XR. They are nice trucks. You can't go wrong with Toyotas.

To be honest, I expected this kind of reaction. To this degree, no. It goes without saying that you will encounter completely biased, fanatical owners of said truck and that they will hear nothing that is not praise for their own trucks. Fine. I see that a few of you are mature people and I am grateful for such. I also see a few of you are children. Fine.

Someone mentioned my truck is as rare as the S's and XRs.... technically yes. Give it time and you will see a difference. I guarentee it. I'm not badmouthing your trucks. Toyotas hold value better than almost any other make. They are very well-built, reputable vehicles. BUT, we are talking about performance trucks here. Alot of you obviously just can't wrap your minds around what I am saying and just resort to talking shyt, thinking that I give half a damn. But just trust me. An aftermarket modified import truck won't hold as much value as a factory produced domestic performance truck down the line. I know all about how domestics lose value. They lose value the second you take them off the lot. I deal with car dealerships everyday. But the difference is the principle. Muscle car era coming around again. Won't last long. Remnants of old times. Look at the old muscle cars that are worth so much now and the people back then who bought them new never thought that they would become collectors items. And the few that did are reaping the benefits.

I posted a picture of my holding a crayola schoolyard sign because I felt like it. I was bored and felt like seeing if I can send pictures from my cell phone to the computer. Apparently I can. Also, I have nothing to hide and, again, I could care less what anyone would comment about it. Plus, I wanted to show off my high n tight! The wife says I should find another style since discharge, but fack it. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Another monkey mentioned the fact I paid the amount I did for a DODGE. Congrats, Captain Obvious. Next time I'll get a written letter of approval from you when I choose to spend my money. I wanted something. I worked hard. I got what I wanted. Again, if I wanted something else, I would have it. Period.

The comment I made about "11 second XR my ass" was due to the fact that I thought the 11 seconds was proposed after only a supercharger addition. To which, as you know, I disagreed with.

So, whatever. The internet is the internet. I didn't expect NOT to run into any retards. I'm glad there are a few of you with an IQ above room temperature tho. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

And turbotaco, I'd be MORE than happy to. You'd be doing me a favor, actually, because I know that turbo S's can get the fack up and go when used right. Let me know whenever you're ready. I'll probably have my new clutch by then, so hopefully it will be adaquately broken in by then. A good spot would be Figeroua and Sepulveda. Nice, open, rarely used stretch right there. Nice and flat, no yeeha potholes, either. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

So haters wanna hate. Lovers wanna love. I dont even want, NONE OF THE EEEBOVE I WAAANT TO PISSS ON YOOOOOUUU

DRIP DRIP DRIP

MY LIFE AINT GONNA BE COMPLETE TILL I TURN YOUR FACE 'TO A TOILET SEAAAAAT
PISSSS ON YOOOOOUUUUU


for fans of Chappelle. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif plz dont take it literally, all you crybaby witchhunters.

[SHO NUFF]

I'll race you. Won't be much of a race, but I'd like to have video of me pulling on an SRT-10.
I'll be in Vegas this weekend. How about a little road trip?

[KAuss]

Damn I thought we were a welcoming bunch... Whats with all the ego? I lurk on the Dodge forums and Lightning forums since I've been interested in the truck...

Anyone whos brand loyal gotta get a reality check...

I wonder how a Taco V6 engine in a RWD car would do... Toyota should do that, but with shorter bore n stroke...

[JeLeAk]

I'll race you. Won't be much of a race, but I'd like to have video of me pulling on an SRT-10.
I'll be in Vegas this weekend. How about a little road trip?



http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[wardawg2003]

I am on this site because an [censored] in a blue XR kept trying to be a coolguy and rev his engine next to me out in Torrance. After I gave him what he wanted and blew his doors off, I slowed down to pull up to the guy and at least talk to him. He just drove off, obviously butthurt. I came on here to see if he frequented this site, because, obviously, alot of Tacoma owners come here.

I also came on here because I was considering buying an XR. They are nice trucks. You can't go wrong with Toyotas.

To be honest, I expected this kind of reaction. To this degree, no. It goes without saying that you will encounter completely biased, fanatical owners of said truck and that they will hear nothing that is not praise for their own trucks. Fine. I see that a few of you are mature people and I am grateful for such. I also see a few of you are children. Fine.

Someone mentioned my truck is as rare as the S's and XRs.... technically yes. Give it time and you will see a difference. I guarentee it. I'm not badmouthing your trucks. Toyotas hold value better than almost any other make. They are very well-built, reputable vehicles. BUT, we are talking about performance trucks here. Alot of you obviously just can't wrap your minds around what I am saying and just resort to talking shyt, thinking that I give half a damn. But just trust me. An aftermarket modified import truck won't hold as much value as a factory produced domestic performance truck down the line. I know all about how domestics lose value. They lose value the second you take them off the lot. I deal with car dealerships everyday. But the difference is the principle. Muscle car era coming around again. Won't last long. Remnants of old times. Look at the old muscle cars that are worth so much now and the people back then who bought them new never thought that they would become collectors items. And the few that did are reaping the benefits.

I posted a picture of my holding a crayola schoolyard sign because I felt like it. I was bored and felt like seeing if I can send pictures from my cell phone to the computer. Apparently I can. Also, I have nothing to hide and, again, I could care less what anyone would comment about it. Plus, I wanted to show off my high n tight! The wife says I should find another style since discharge, but fack it. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Another monkey mentioned the fact I paid the amount I did for a DODGE. Congrats, Captain Obvious. Next time I'll get a written letter of approval from you when I choose to spend my money. I wanted something. I worked hard. I got what I wanted. Again, if I wanted something else, I would have it. Period.

The comment I made about "11 second XR my ass" was due to the fact that I thought the 11 seconds was proposed after only a supercharger addition. To which, as you know, I disagreed with.

So, whatever. The internet is the internet. I didn't expect NOT to run into any retards. I'm glad there are a few of you with an IQ above room temperature tho. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

And turbotaco, I'd be MORE than happy to. You'd be doing me a favor, actually, because I know that turbo S's can get the fack up and go when used right. Let me know whenever you're ready. I'll probably have my new clutch by then, so hopefully it will be adaquately broken in by then. A good spot would be Figeroua and Sepulveda. Nice, open, rarely used stretch right there. Nice and flat, no yeeha potholes, either. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

So haters wanna hate. Lovers wanna love. I dont even want, NONE OF THE EEEBOVE I WAAANT TO PISSS ON YOOOOOUUU

DRIP DRIP DRIP

MY LIFE AINT GONNA BE COMPLETE TILL I TURN YOUR FACE 'TO A TOILET SEAAAAAT
PISSSS ON YOOOOOUUUUU


for fans of Chappelle. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif plz dont take it literally, all you crybaby witchhunters.



STFU

[OpetH83]

I'll race you. Won't be much of a race, but I'd like to have video of me pulling on an SRT-10.
I'll be in Vegas this weekend. How about a little road trip?



Oh yeah, sure. Meet you there!

[Hot Taco]

opetH83

Welcome to the forum bro. You have a nice truck and it's fast no question. I am not pleased with the way you've been treated so far. I want to represent my club by treating you well. I may not agree with everything you say but I will not treat you like crap simply because you have some other type of truck. Everybody on this forum comes from different walks of life. When we come together for a meet we all get along because we have somthing in common. Well I have somthing in common with any truck owner regaurdless of make that has a fast truck. As long as you are not antagonistic you should get along with people on here fine. It will just be a little time before people get used to you.

Your truck weighs 5000 pounds and has 500 HP. That's 10 to 1 weight to HP ratio. An S-runner weighs 3260 pounds and has 247 hp with the fuel system set up correctly by URD. Thats a 13.19 to 1 weight to HP ratio. In order for my truck to have enough HP to equal your truck I would require 326 HP. If I wanted to have a reasonable chance to beat you in a race I would want at least 350hp. That's not really asking much from my engine. WIth less weight there will be less inertial mass to propel forward on the green light. I may have a slight advantage even with the same 10 to 1 weight to HP ratio in both trucks.

The supercharger is a dealer installed option and does qualify as a build sheet option. Taking the parts available at the time the truck was built and working with them could easily yeild a 326 hp engine rating. This would most likly involve porting of the heads,supercharger,and intake. Larger cams, larger; valves, larger injectors, a TRD header, TRD cat back exaust, Water injection, fuel timing controller, two steps cooler spark plugs, an upgraded thermostat, and a larger fuel pump. Toyota did not purpose build this engine from the start as a hot rod engine like the viper motor. You paid a substantialy larger sum of money for that luxury. None of the things I mentioned would detract from The S-runners collectability. After being on this forum for some time I have reached the conclusion that the production run for S-runners was in the 9600 units neighborhood(ballpark) during the three years they were produced. I therefore conclude that the S-runner has the capability to match or beat the SRT in a drag race and still maintain it's nostalgic collectability as limited production vehicle.

I can not speak for the X-runner at this time because there is no dealer installed super charger. In order for them to upgrade their power outputs they will need an after market supercharger that does not qualify for nostalgic collectability.

It should also be understood by you as an SRT owner that substantialy increasing the power output of your truck will substantialy decrease it's driveability. Every chassis has a maximum power output that can be accepted if you go beyond that by to much the vehicle will be exceptionally difficult to drive when cornering. It will only be driveable on a very long strait road. On a road coarse it would most certainly be devoured by less powerful vehicles that have a reasonable power output compared to their maximum traction capability. Once you get over 600 or 700 hp most vehicles become very difficult to drive fast. The fastest road race cars rarely use more than 700 to 900 hp. If it's all about drag racing than you will still at least need to 4 link,coil over and tub the rear with a set of giant wrinkle wall slicks. If it were me I would buy the SRT and drive it like that. I might look into lowering it and some exotic suspension upgrades. Otherwise it's pretty well done stock.

F.Y.I. the tire contact patch is the sole determining factor in a vehicles coeficient of friction(traction). The tire diameter has more to do with the vehicles ability to accelerate due to it's inertial mass. Smaller wheels have less inertial mass and tend to accelerate faster. A larger wheel has more inertial mass and takes more time to accelerate. A larger wheel that weighs less than a smaller sized wheel would be an exception. Larger wheels do tend to place a greater torque load on the axles though. I'm sure the engineering team at dodge took that into acount when they designed the axles on the SRT. Dodge has always been willing to inovate and try new things. Enthusiasts has been upgrading thier vehicles with larger diameter wheels as of late. Dodge took a chance and added some 22" wheels. I think they made a good choice the wheels look perfect for the size of their fenders. sorry about the lengthy reply.

[Cajun-run'n 03']

Your right man good choice on the SRT. It is a serious performance truck. Like I said I have driven a friends SRT and that sucker is fast. I was just giving you shyt for dissing the toyota. I guess if I could spend that much on a truck I would have one bad azz X-Runner. I have a daughter starting college and can't spend that money until we see what scholarships she gets, and how much I have to spend. Welcome to the site.

[SHO NUFF]

I'll race you. Won't be much of a race, but I'd like to have video of me pulling on an SRT-10.
I'll be in Vegas this weekend. How about a little road trip?



Oh yeah, sure. Meet you there!


I'm not kidding. And FYI, you don't stand a chance. PM me with your phone number before I leave at 6 if you want a piece. I won't be checking the internet after that.

[BoostError]

I'm not kidding. And FYI, you don't stand a chance. PM me with your phone number before I leave at 6 if you want a piece. I won't be checking the internet after that.



I WANT THAT VID http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/clapping.gif

BTW: SRT guy, just from reading your posts, I think you're an asshat. No offence, of course http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

[OpetH83]

Yea sure, I'd love to drop all my plans to drive out to Vegas to meet some guy for a "piece!"

Will you cuddle with me when it's over?

[OpetH83]

Hot Taco, thank you for the reply. I'd love to reply to it section by section, but I'm just getting ready for work and checking up on the sites. I'd be more than happy to respond once I get back home. :]

And again, thank you. At least someone understands where I'm coming from.

[SHO NUFF]

Yea sure, I'd love to drop all my plans to drive out to Vegas to meet some guy for a "piece!"

Will you cuddle with me when it's over?


Is a reach around considered cuddling?

[BoostError]

Yea sure, I'd love to drop all my plans to drive out to Vegas to meet some guy for a "piece!"

Will you cuddle with me when it's over?


Is a reach around considered cuddling?



He might need a shoulder to cry on when his 50k truck gets tossed around by an "old Tacoma"

[southbaytaco]

I'm not hatin'. SRT-10s are coo. I live right by this dude. Hey Opet, lemme' take your truck for a spin. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[BoostError]

I'm not hatin'. SRT-10s are coo. I live right by this dude. Hey Opet, lemme' take your truck for a spin. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


SRT-10's are badass, but bad attitudes are not.

[SlipperyTaco]

Here we go again with the SRT crap! OK, really nice looking truck.... Lots of HP with LOTS of weight! Read the Motor Trend write up on that pig. The best they're drivers could do in the 1/4 was 13.8...... Wow, pretty slow for 45,000. I've seen them run 14's at firebird, and I've lit up a few around town. I'm not impressed at all... SHONUFF, please go to Vegas and hand this guy his ass. What a reatard! Someone show SRT Dumbass SHONUFF's 12.9 at Firebird clip! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif Oh, and one more thing, dont come over to a TACOMA web sight and talk crap just to make your dumbass feel better about you still slow truck.... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif

[Blangkang]

Ok I have to see this vid. This will make my life complete!!!!!

[Racer_X]

Turbotaco from carson city runs 13.2 and he's a 4 cyl... I know my motor folks saw him run in fontana... they were very impressed... fact is there are as many 4cyl tacos that would beat the tar out of your SRT-10, and they would do it effortlessly...

[Blangkang]

I remember that, his truck is quick. I wanna see this guy put his money where his mouth is.

[SHO NUFF]

Here we go again with the SRT crap! OK, really nice looking truck.... Lots of HP with LOTS of weight! Read the Motor Trend write up on that pig. The best they're drivers could do in the 1/4 was 13.8...... Wow, pretty slow for 45,000. I've seen them run 14's at firebird, and I've lit up a few around town. I'm not impressed at all... SHONUFF, please go to Vegas and hand this guy his ass. What a reatard! Someone show SRT Dumbass SHONUFF's 12.9 at Firebird clip! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif Oh, and one more thing, dont come over to a TACOMA web sight and talk crap just to make your dumbass feel better about you still slow truck.... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif


Why did you have to tell him I run 12's? Now he won't race me for sure.
Damn Slippery ruins all my fun.

[xtrapsi]

http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doah.gif
No reacharound for you! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

Sounds like he already has plans of whooping up on a stock X Runner!

[Jeff]

Ok, it's definitely time to put this thing to rest.

Seriously, if you go and objectively look at the posts that opetH83 has made, I think you'll agree with me that it really doesn't look like he came on here to start fights. He even said in some of his posts that he's interested in the X-Runner and wanted to talk to the guy that he raced. Seemed innocent enough. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

But what I've seen from some of you over the past few days is some pretty rude behavior towards this guy. Sure, he doesn't have a Tacoma and this is a site FOR Tacomas. But is that any reason to be a jerk to the guy? No.

What I'm getting at is I don't think you guys even gave this guy a chance to come on here and see what CT is really about. If you don't want to read what he has to say, it's really easy to put him on your "ignore" list.

All I'm asking you all to do is give the guy the benefit of the doubt that he's not trolling.

And opetH83, if you ARE here to pick fights, this really isn't the place - we won't tollerate it.

And, for the record, I don't know opetH83 at all. I'm just calling the shots as I see them.

[colby]

ok...my g-pa work at this factory where the new trucks come in and they get to test drive them, add new parts, experiment with them and all this stuff before they actually go on sale. well today i went there cuz he had one(btw where i live there are none) and i went up there to look at it and he told me everything about it and one of the first things i asked was "what about the trd s/c, i heard they arent making one" he told me that they WILL be making one but will not be a factory option, only a dealer installed option. But he also said he wasnt sure the exact date for the s/c. Man, this was the first time i saw the truck in person and i got to say its freakin sweet!

[Blangkang]

Wow cool, My X needs more power

[furball]

In all the ads for the XR they say that there is a factory option TRD SC....I guess the dealer installed way isn't that bad...WHat kind of warranty will that put upon your truck if you get the XR supercharged...if it voids the factory warranty I guess I'll be waiting a few years for it...

[8ate8]

If it's from TRD and it's dealer installed, it's warrantied.

[KAuss]

If it's from TRD and it's dealer installed, it's warrantied.



You better double check that tho man... Thats totally dependent on Toyota's side...

TRD is NOT a part of Toyota, it's a totally seperate aftermaret development that purely does Toyota... There have been numerous parts from STi with the WRX that isn't covered in warrenty and same goes with some TRD stuff that isn't covered by Toyota... Damn just can't think of a good example right now...

Still, I'd double check with your dealer before making any jumps to conclusions... They usually don't cover stuff like blowers because you can easily change the pulley and screw the engine / drivetrain all up... Switch back and they'll never know...

[redrunner]

with all the previous generations, if it's dealer-installed it was included into your warrenty. if you didn't have one left on your truck, you got one for the blower, i just dont remember how long.

[KAuss]

So they'll cover pulley changes since they don't know you did them? Thats pretty cool... Maybe why TRD crap cost so much to begin with LOL they expect you to break them!!!

[Davids_Srunner]

Just in case you guys didn't hear , I found out TRD is offering a BIG Brake package. I cut and paste this from the web .

However, the TRD “Big Brake” is an optional package
designed only for the X-Runner that features
massive 13 x 1.25-inch vented rotors with direction
turbine fins for the front. They’re clamped by
4-piston forged aluminum calipers that are retained
by vertical rather than horizontal bolts for
increased rigidity. The package also includes
braided steel lines. The TRD brakes offer 23
percent more swept area for shorter stopping
distances and reduced brake fade.

[8ate8]

Yea, that's been floating around the web since the prototype came out last February. If you keep reading you'll see they mention the "factory optional super charger" which we all know isn't true, as well.

[S-Dad]

[quote
TRD is NOT a part of Toyota, it's a totally seperate aftermaret development that purely does Toyota... There have been numerous parts from STi with the WRX that isn't covered in warrenty and same goes with some TRD stuff that isn't covered by Toyota... Damn just can't think of a good example right now...

Still, I'd double check with your dealer before making any jumps to conclusions... They usually don't cover stuff like blowers because you can easily change the pulley and screw the engine / drivetrain all up... Switch back and they'll never know...

[/QUOTE]

TRD is part of Toyota. All TRD parts are considered factory parts and is covered under your factory warranty at any Toyota dealership. The only things that may not be covered are discontinued items like the TRD LSD and they have to specify that upon purchase of item.

[Jonathan]

So they'll cover pulley changes since they don't know you did them? Thats pretty cool... Maybe why TRD crap cost so much to begin with LOL they expect you to break them!!!



they will not cover pulley changes, there is a special marking line that shows if the nut has ever been taking off, and yes, all trd products are covered by toyota if properly installed.

[furball]

So does anyone actually know when the TRD DC for the X-runner will be available...and any ideas of the $$$$ it may take to get it....I am looking to get the truck in a month or two and if the SC is on the way I may wait a little longer depending on the cost....I am guessing well over $3000

[Lithia]

I work for Lithia and I'm purchasing a 2005 4x4. I asked the parts department, and they said TRD didn't have a s/c for it and that they hadn't decided if they were going to yet. Where are some of you getting your information? Although this wouldn't be the first time they've kept the dealers in the dark.

[furball]

They have it on the toyota website about the optional SC making colse to 300 HP....if you've done any research on the X-runner every online article mentions the SC...so why would they mention all this if it didn't even exist....WHat the hell is up with that?

[Lithia]

They have it on the toyota website about the optional SC making colse to 300 HP....if you've done any research on the X-runner every online article mentions the SC...so why would they mention all this if it didn't even exist....WHat the hell is up with that?



where does it say that. Please provide references.

[slamdtaco]

it used to be on there before the site was updated to show the 2005s. I just looked and couldn't find it, but it may be there somewhere.

[colby]

like i said my g-pa works for a company that when the cars and truck come in from japan some go straight to his shop which is called New Products. he said his company test aftermarket parts such as side rails bull bar, exhaust etc. he would be the one to know if they were or not and he said they WERE goin to they just havent released a date yet

[uid_0]

Well seeing as how Tacomas are manufactured in Freemont CALIFORNIA and TRD is based in Costa Mesa CALIFORNIA I think grandpa is going to have one heck of a time testing a TRD supercharger for the X-Runner that gets off a boat from Japan. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

[S-Dad]

he would be the one to know if they were or not and he said they WERE goin to they just havent released a date yet


He should know then that the Tacoma trucks don't come in from Japan. They are manufactured at Fremont, California.
Toyota did advertise the SC option and they advertised the big brake kit as well for the 05's...but neither exist yet. Will TRD manufacture them? Probably...but I don't think we'll see one this year.

[cam2Xrunner]

The TRD big brake kit is coming out for sure. I spoke with a stoptech rep(makers of the trd brakes) and he said they made a big shipment for TRD.

But I'd take the 2 piece rotors and 6 piston calipers from Rotora over the TRD's 4 piston setup, 1 piece rotor.

[newlou]

On the S Runner, if the dealer installs the S/C it's warranted concurrently for the life of the drive train, and the drive train warranty remains uneffected. If you install it yourself, the S/C warranty is 1 year, and the drive train warranty is again uneffected.

[KAuss]

I'm still more biased towards a turbo tho... Since I don't plan on messing with the engine until after warrenty if I ever even plan on messing with it...

Lighter weight, exhaust for power, thats my philosophy for spirited driving...

[colby]

yea i would also rather have a turbo but also want trd parts

[furball]

They have it on the toyota website about the optional SC making colse to 300 HP....if you've done any research on the X-runner every online article mentions the SC...so why would they mention all this if it didn't even exist....WHat the hell is up with that?



where does it say that. Please provide references.



Here is just of the many articles I found which talk about the SC...it gives no details....just says there will be an available SC for the X...Just go to a search engine and type "Toyota X-runner" almost every article mentions the SC and close to 300HP...

http://www.autosite.com/Previews/2005-toyota-tacoma-x-runner.asp

[Lithia]

Here is just of the many articles I found which talk about the SC...it gives no details....just says there will be an available SC for the X...Just go to a search engine and type "Toyota X-runner" almost every article mentions the SC and close to 300HP...

http://www.autosite.com/Previews/2005-toyota-tacoma-x-runner.asp



Interesting. I will definitely bring that into the parts dept when I go to work. But I know they're gonna say this: It's not a Toyota/TRD member saying it -- it's just an article, which makes it heresay/speculation. Still interesting, tho.

Someone mentioned that the TRD site used to say it? Anyone have a copy, per-chance?

[AFP520]

still nothin on trd's site.. but i noticed they dont list the i-force v8 s/c anymore either.. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

[KAuss]

Did you guys not watch the revealing video at the chicago show? The head of Toyota or whoever it was revealing it said himself it is going to have a S/C... Then shortly there after production the TRD folks didn't say anything about the S/C... Those that called about it got a cold shoulder...

[x-runnin']

Whats up everybody, names will. New to the site since my recent x-runner purchase. Just thought I would let in some info I got from those flaky trd guys. I got the parts manager at my dealership help me get a hold of one the guys at trd, and he he let me in on the eta. He said they were having fuel management issues, and had to re-develop the charger, said it would hopefully be available as well a the 7th injector around 6-8 months. Hope this clears up some of the myths. wjp

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[mazutoytaco]

Well sounds like the S/C won't be out till the end of the year, or even next year. Thanks for the update.http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

[Enola Gaia]

Hi, Will... Thanx for the report, and welcome to CT!.... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

[RzrBlade]

they should just release it without the fuel managment upgrades, we all know Gadget will do so much a better of a job.

[colby]

6-8 months?! dang thats a long time oh well i agree cuz gadget said he was already working on the x

[cam2Xrunner]

What's up will, welcome to CT.

[SlipperyTaco]

Fuel management isuues? Imagine that! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Blangkang]

Fuel management isuues? Imagine that! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


ROTFLMAO

[Jonathan]

yup, you think you can beat $1990. (rotora) all i know is when i get home i am getting a monster ass credit card http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif

[Kyle]

So in all reality there is two big brake kit's available trd/urd/sos(stop-tech) or Rotora


Are you saying that the TRD BB kit is made by Stop Tech as well??

[KAuss]

So in all reality there is two big brake kit's available trd/urd/sos(stop-tech) or Rotora


Are you saying that the TRD BB kit is made by Stop Tech as well??



Man you've been living in a cave http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif But yeah it is http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

[Kyle]

So in all reality there is two big brake kit's available trd/urd/sos(stop-tech) or Rotora


Are you saying that the TRD BB kit is made by Stop Tech as well??



Man you've been living in a cave http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif But yeah it is http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif


http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif Sheesh, I didn't know...

[cam2Xrunner]

The retail on the Rotora 4 piston caliper 2 piece rotor kit, with stainless steel brake lines is 2,095.00
Do a search on the keywords "rotora 6 piston" and "rotora 4 piston". and see what online vendors are selling them for.

So I'm sure the pricing on the 4 piston kit will be very competitive.

Also keep in mind you can get a 14" kit with 6 piston caliper's to clear 18" wheels, not stock wheels but wheels with generous room for big brakes. Or 19" and 20".

You can also do different options as far as caliper finish, and color.

[Kyle]

Next summer TRD is supposed to have one out.


Thats the first I've ever heard that. From everything I understand, Toyota has no intentions of releasing a SC for the 4.0

[lemonlib]

hey thats like 350 a month i have to save for 10 to 12 months....urg..

[Blangkang]

has anyone bought and installed at billet grille yet for the X-Runner? i heard T-Rex billet grilles were best but never saw a price or installation instructions on thier website ... and has anyone heard when the supercharger is available for the X-Runner? or is it already out? dealership promises they know all but when i go to talk to them i seem to know way more than they do, then they try to use the information i gave them from previous visits against me, hah gotta love the stealership



Try the search button. I know I have seen the grilles here somewhere & people tend to get pissed off when you bring up topics that have been covered extensively in the past. Just trying to save you some grief. Supercharger discussions are here too. Next summer TRD is supposed to have one out.



TRD WILL NOT RELEASE a supercharger guys, there was a fourm that had e-mails from TRD saying they have plans for making a supercharger. So sit back and play with bolt ons

[test driver]

TRD WILL NOT RELEASE a supercharger guys, there was a fourm that had e-mails from TRD saying they have (no) plans for making a supercharger. So sit back and play with bolt ons



This is correct. It's not going to happen. If you want a factory supercharger, you're going to have to go get a Scion tC instead.

[x-runnin']

OK, so I was bored earlier and decided to give TRD a call just to see if they had any new info on the mysterious supercharger they were supposed to have a long time ago. Well, turns out the xrunner they are displaying at the sema show next week is going to have one on it. He said it may be a working model, or just the casting without any of the internals, but it will be similiar if not the model that will be out soon. He said the reason why they weren't giving out any info on this prior is because the charger was just a design/thought on paper up until just a few months ago. They already have castings made and are still working on it, but hope to have a model in production very soon. I just thought I would share this info, since I know there are few people interested.

PS: I know Gadget said different in the super xrunner thread, and I don't want to discredit him with this one, so no disrespect. I am just repeating what they just told me. I'm going to be optomistic and hope that it does come out soon.

-Will-

[rx-runner]

lets hope we (meaning cali people) can put it on without any trouble from the law or from smog.

[Gadget@URD]

What you have posted is not really any different then I have posted. The supercharger they are going to have at the SEMA show is most likely a non-functional unit. It is supposed to be plumbed into the hood scoop with a large K&N panel filter all of which can not make it through CARB certification.

Anyway, I can't wait to see what they have dreamed up.

Gadget

[x-runnin']

That makes more sense now Gadget. From that other thread, I was thinking it was the other company doing the fake charger all on their own. Funny thing is, the guy from TRD on the phone sounded pretty confident in what he was saying. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Can't wait to see those pics you take next week!

-Will-

[Gadget@URD]

I will bet you a box of donuts that the guy that you spoke to on the phone reads every word typed on this and every other forum.

Gadget

[RedXrunner]

I will bet you a box of donuts that the guy that you spoke to on the phone reads every word typed on this and every other forum.

Gadget

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[Blangkang]

I will bet you a box of donuts that the guy that you spoke to on the phone reads every word typed on this and every other forum.

Gadget



I was at the RC car track and was talking to a guy who has worked at TRd for 15 years and does a bunch of work for the indy and truck series. He also told me that tundras and camery were the only toyotas made in the USA http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Kyle]

I will bet you a box of donuts that the guy that you spoke to on the phone reads every word typed on this and every other forum.

Gadget



I was at the RC car track and was talking to a guy who has worked at TRd for 15 years and does a bunch of work for the indy and truck series. He also told me that tundras and camery were the only toyotas made in the USA http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif


What other Toyota's are made in the USA?

[CrazyGreekTaco]

I don't think there are any cars or trucks that are "Made in the USA" 100%. There are alot of assembly plants in the US. The Corolla and Tacoma's I believe come from the same plant in Fremont CA. Hell, even Harly Davidsons, the All American Motorcycle aren't 100% made in america. I think the only thing that is assembled in the US is mounting the motor and tranny on the frame and thats it. Welcome to a Global Economy.... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[TRDOLMAN]

I will bet you a box of donuts that the guy that you spoke to on the phone reads every word typed on this and every other forum.

Gadget



I was at the RC car track and was talking to a guy who has worked at TRd for 15 years and does a bunch of work for the indy and truck series. He also told me that tundras and camery were the only toyotas made in the USA http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif


What other Toyota's are made in the USA?


Tundra, Sequoia, and the Sienna minivan are being produced at the TMMI plant in Princeton, Indiana.

Tacoma and Corolla are made at the NUMMI plant in Fremont, California.

The Avalon was and the Camry and Solara are still being built at the TMMK plant in Georgetown, Kentucky.

Starting in 2006 Tundras will also be made at the new TMMTX plant in San Antonio, Texas.

Besides these auto assembly plants, Toyota has 6 other manufacturing plants in the US making components such as wheels, engines, trannys, etc. Toyota has two plants in Canada and one in Mexico.

Gadget's right about Toyota/TRD monitoring the forums. I heard that first hand.

[Blangkang]

also the RX330 is made in canada, we lost the bid to canada...

[TRDOLMAN]

also the RX330 is made in canada, we lost the bid to canada...


Actually, the Corolla (for shipment East of the Mississippi river), the Matrix, and the RX330 (only for shipment to North America) are made at TMMC in Ontario. 1.5 million aluminum alloy wheels are made each year at the plant in British Columbia.

[Blangkang]

also the RX330 is made in canada, we lost the bid to canada...


Actually, the Corolla (for shipment East of the Mississippi river), the Matrix, and the RX330 (only for shipment to North America) are made at TMMC in Ontario. 1.5 million aluminum alloy wheels are made each year at the plant in British Columbia.



sounds good

[JDxRunner]

Sorry guys new to CT i don't know if this topicever came up yet but do you guys know any estimated arrival date on the Supercharger for the XRunner?:confused: :confused: :confused:

[XRobber]

We wish

[05XrTaco]

I don't even think TRD knows yet, here's hoping it's sometime soon. The wait is driving me nuts. :runaway: :eyecrazy:

[JDxRunner]

thanks for my hopes:( :( :( and dreams.... Does anybody know?

[BigMudTruk]

thanks for my hopes:( :( :( and dreams.... Does anybody know?

My roommate bought a brand new 05 BSP X-Runner in hopes that the TRD supercharger or some aftermarket one would come out, he loved the truck, but wanted more power. He got tired of waiting sold the truck at a huge loss and bought a very heavily modded 99 Vette. I was bummed being the hardcore Toyota guy that I am that TRD let him and me down advertising almost 2 years in advance of when he bought his truck about a Supercharger then never releasing one. Needless to say with like 470 RWHP he's not hurting for power anymore, but its also not a Toyota.

[Tempernoi]

Yeah he's also driving a car with one of the worst electrical systems ever. I had a 2000 and the computer drove me absolutly nuts :runaway: After about 10 trips to the dealer in about 2 months and about 100 times of the car telling me random error messages and shutting off all the power features (windows, radio, seat, locks etc etc etc) I traded it for the XR. Not too mention the column lock issue. My vette was stuck in the single car garage for a month waiting for a part to unlock it so I could back it out only to have it towed to the dealer. :brickknoc I must say though, I went from a lightning to the vette to the XR and im having MAJOR power withdrawls. If there isnt a turbo or supercharger next year im gonna probably buy a project car (and keep the XR of course :headbang: )

[x-runnin']

Just hold on to your panties. URD's turbo system is being developed, and it will probly be out a whole lot sooner than TRD's mysterious SC.

btw, you know I bought my XR just before new years last year, and if I remember correctly, didn't Toyota advertise the XR at the auto shows with having an available SC when they released the truck? Isnt that false advertising? I wonder what can be done legally about that? Cause I know it personally really pissed me off when I went to buy mine.

[hypertaco]

According to the Toyota Dealer I just got my X from, they say TRD has evaporated and is no longer developing anything along those lines for any make and model. They claim this, not me :)

[Bonzaisushi]

According to the Toyota Dealer I just got my X from, they say TRD has evaporated and is no longer developing anything along those lines for any make and model. They claim this, not me :)

one thing i know is that Dealerships dont know jack. TRD WILL release more products because that is what every car company is doing now.

[JDxRunner]

Just hold on to your panties. URD's turbo system is being developed, and it will probly be out a whole lot sooner than TRD's mysterious SC.

btw, you know I bought my XR just before new years last year, and if I remember correctly, didn't Toyota advertise the XR at the auto shows with having an available SC when they released the truck? Isnt that false advertising? I wonder what can be done legally about that? Cause I know it personally really pissed me off when I went to buy mine.


Hey if this true about Toyota saying this about are trucks w/ superchargers this can be false advertising.....:thinking:

[Goinginsane]

nope no false advertising because they released the truck with a soon to be released SC "no date set on release" so no dog in that hunt

I kept saying the same thing and yes TRD does exist they do not do much devolopment they are usually farmin gthat out from what I understand but it would be nice if they worked in unison with the plant so that the release dates would be closer together.

[hypertaco]

Oh I agree, that's why I used the disclaimer :) About four months ago, I decided to track me down a X - Runner and get rid of the S. I went to a toyota dealer, and they just happen to have a speedway blue X-Runner. I asked them if they would get me in on Black Sand Pearl, salesman said, and I quote "It only comes in this color" I schooled him, and of coarse, he didn't believe me until he called out to his manager, and he confirmed what I was telling him was true. He followed me outside cause my fiance was looking at a 2005 Avalon Touring Package so I guess he figured he'd talk to her since I had proven him not very knowledgable(to be nice) Anyways, the guy was talking the Avalon up, and he said, and again I quote "I took this little beauty to the gas pump, did you know it will go 0-60 in 3.4 seconds....I grabbed my lady and quickly left.....they have NO clue!!! If that 4,000lb+ car was that fast, and only 30k, it would probably be the best value on the market PERIOD, specially since the sticker said it got 20MPG...lol gotta love it!!

[ToyotaDrifter]

one thing i know is that Dealerships dont know jack. TRD WILL release more products because that is what every car company is doing now.

They really dont know jack. I went to to dealer this weekend and I was looking at the X-Runner. The Guy said do you like that truck. I was like *in my mind.. Why would i be looking at it if i didn't like it.. well anyway.. Hes like its a good truck it has rims.. a grill... and :looney: :funnyup: :rolleyes: 5 speed.......:eyecrazy::selfbonk: :doah:

I was like...SCREAMING!!! DUDE! Its a freaking 6 speed... You dont know jack!!! and walked off... So dumb.. lol

[Bonzaisushi]

i was looking at a speed way blue x-runner and the guy said... "This baby has a 4 litre 4 cylnder motor, biggest 4cyl on the market"

[anhnguyen310]

i was looking at a speed way blue x-runner and the guy said... "This baby has a 4 litre 4 cylnder motor, biggest 4cyl on the market"

you should've told him that he probally has the smallest brain on the market

[Red X]

i was looking at a speed way blue x-runner and the guy said... "This baby has a 4 litre 4 cylnder motor, biggest 4cyl on the market"

How the heck do you sell cars and not at least read the product manual. Talk about some idiots!:funnyup:

Anyway, I talked with a parts guy whos been with Toyota for a number of years, and he said that TRD just went through a major department overhaul; one of the reasons many products have been late, including the supercharger kit for the Scion tC. Basically, they have handed the marketing and distribution of TRD products to Toyota's main parts distribution department--they used to be a stand-alone organization from what I understand. He said they did it so TRD can concentrate on what they were created for--product research and development. Kind of how SVT was supposedly absorbed back into the main Ford group.

[slwwrx17]

I was lucky that the salesman that I talked to knew what his job was. He knew the engine code, HP, and all of the things that normal salesmen are supposed to know. I was one of the lucky ones.

[FrEaK_aCcIdEnT]

I was lucky that the salesman that I talked to knew what his job was. He knew the engine code, HP, and all of the things that normal salesmen are supposed to know. I was one of the lucky ones.

you were lucky, and he was just a big fan. ;) thats why anyone knows that much about any vehicle. im a fan of many cars :lol:

what was his name and waht dealer/location. that way if anyone is looking for a decent salesman that knows his schitt, they will know were to turn.:waytogo:

[05xman]

I was at the dealership where I bought mine having the tires rotated and the service manager thought it was a dodge!!!! I was like What, Dude it's it's an x runner" he looked at me like i was crazy. he had know idea what it was.

[Gadget@URD]

Hell, the folks at the Toyota Dealer service have no idea what an XRunner is.

One of my 02 sensors crapped out and I went it and told him that. He asked what I had and I said an 05 XRunner. "A what?" "You mean a 4Runner?" I said no, an XRunner. "What is that, we service Toyotas here."

It only took two trips to the dealer to confirm that it was bad. I asked him if he was just going to pull the code or do real diagnostic work on it? He did not understand the question. So, I had to come back after making an appointment just so they could pull the code. Now I have to go back again after they get the part. All I have to say is here I go again with piss poor dealer warranty service....

Gadget

[Ollie]

About two months before I bought my X last year I was calling around asking dealers about S-Runners. The 05's hadn't been released yet and I didn't know about the X's yet. I called a Performance Toyota Dealership to ask them if they had any S-runners.

The guy I talked to had no clue what they were. He kept trying to tell me "Yeah that is what we call a Pre-Runner." After like 5 mins of trying to get him to pull his head out of his ass i gave up.

5 mins later I talked to a different dealership that told me about the X and that they were coming out soon. A quick google search and I had fell in love with the X. Picked it up the week they were released in the Midwest.

[TacomaSexy8186]

I haven't been around for a while, have there been any updates on URD's "upcoming" Kit??? I was just wondering...

[yl taco 05]

well i just learned earlier this week that my dad picked up TRD as a client, he owns a date warehousing company, but thats not important! whats important is that hes gonna take me (already cleared with TRD) to the HQ (or any other TRD building i wish) and A) pick and grab B) buy with one hell of a discount. while im there i will C) nag them about the S/C. hopefully i will get some info from them. oh, my dads the best! lol

[JDxRunner]

well i just learned earlier this week that my dad picked up TRD as a client, he owns a date warehousing company, but thats not important! whats important is that hes gonna take me (already cleared with TRD) to the HQ (or any other TRD building i wish) and A) pick and grab B) buy with one hell of a discount. while im there i will C) nag them about the S/C. hopefully i will get some info from them. oh, my dads the best! lol


Thats sounds Kewl I wanna go!!!!!:D

[Rad]

He asked what I had and I said an 05 XRunner. "A what?" "You mean a 4Runner?" I said no, an XRunner. "What is that, we service Toyotas here."

This is nothing new. Motor Trend announced the S-Runner in a late 2000 issue of their magazine, and I rushed over to Leith Toyota on Capitol Blvd here in Raleigh to order one. A salesman approached me when I drove up, and I told him it was his lucky day because I wasn't there to shop, but I was prepared to pay cash for a new S-Runner and the sale was his. All he had to do was fill out the paperwork and collect his commission. He 'corrected' me, saying I meant a Pre-Runner. I corrected him, telling him I meant S-Runner, adding that it was a new model. He insisted there was no such animal, and when I persisted, he asked me to step inside while he spoke with his sales manager.

The sales manager smiled and told me there was no such thing as an S-Runner, that I was confused, and that I probably meant "Pre-Runner." Having no idea what their 2001 Tacoma sales brochures featured inside them, but assuming that it mentioned something about S-Runners as an option package, I walked over to the brochure rack and pulled one down. It fell open to pages 18/19 where a BSP S-Runner with a full lower body kit was plastered across both pages. I slapped it down on the manager's desk and asked "what the hell is this thing"? I gloated while he scrambled through some paperwork and finally confirmed what I already knew.

It's hard to believe that people who make a living selling a product have to be continually educated by their prospective customers.

[TRDOLMAN]

I had to special order my 04 Xcab. Since I was getting an employee discount (wife works at the Numm plant), I had to deal with the fleet manager who shared an office with the general manager of the dealership. We sat down and I started telling him what I wanted to order on the truck. To my surprise (the guy had worked at the dealership for 9 years), he didn't seem to know a damn thing. I had to school him on:
You really can get a limited package on an Xcab---
You really can order a class 4 hitch instead of the class 2---(option 9F)
Yes, you can get a SnugTop as an option---(option 2C)
Yes, the Bed Rug is available from Toyota as well---(option 2D)
TRD does really offer a supercharger for more than just a Tundra----
Nummi dictates the price for employees and I had to tell him that as well---

When I finished ordering the truck with all the options, the general manager walked over and asked me if I wanted a job!!:thinking:

[Kyle]

This is nothing new. Motor Trend announced the S-Runner in a late 2000 issue of their magazine, and I rushed over to Leith Toyota on Capitol Blvd here in Raleigh to order one. A salesman approached me when I drove up, and I told him it was his lucky day because I wasn't there to shop, but I was prepared to pay cash for a new S-Runner and the sale was his. All he had to do was fill out the paperwork and collect his commission. He 'corrected' me, saying I meant a Pre-Runner. I corrected him, telling him I meant S-Runner, adding that it was a new model. He insisted there was no such animal, and when I persisted, he asked me to step inside while he spoke with his sales manager.

The sales manager smiled and told me there was no such thing as an S-Runner, that I was confused, and that I probably meant "Pre-Runner." Having no idea what their 2001 Tacoma sales brochures featured inside them, but assuming that it mentioned something about S-Runners as an option package, I walked over to the brochure rack and pulled one down. It fell open to pages 18/19 where a BSP S-Runner with a full lower body kit was plastered across both pages. I slapped it down on the manager's desk and asked "what the hell is this thing"? I gloated while he scrambled through some paperwork and finally confirmed what I already knew.

It's hard to believe that people who make a living selling a product have to be continually educated by their prospective customers.
After that you should have said "I'm going to take my confused ass over to another dealer that knows what they're doing" and walked out...

[anhnguyen310]

After that you should have said "I'm going to take my confused ass over to another dealer that knows what they're doing" and walked out...

either that or sock his balls

[Jaguarjp]

either that or sock his balls


LOL, as childish as that was, it cracked me up.

[Goinginsane]

As a manager for a Toyota dealership I think you should have walked out and told him that you were not going to buy from an uneducated sales force. I take great pride in my sales staff being up to date on all the new products coming out it helps alot that most of the managers here are under 30 and love cars. But I hate when people assume that all dealerships are stupid about the products.

[05XrTaco]

Have to say when I bought mine I had done a lot of research and decided that the X was what I wanted. The salesman I got knew his stuff and that pretty much sold me from then on. It also helped that I knew the GM and got a pretty good deal on the truck. 24/5 out the door, including tax/tag/title and gap insurance, pretty decent I think. So not all dealers are bad the one I dealt with is very good. As far as the S/C goes the Service Manager said it was coming out but he said something was going on with TRD and it was gonna be awhile. Evidently he's had some guys ask about the S/C for their 4wd's. He took my number and said he would call me as soon as he knew something, said he was doing it for the ones who asked about them. That was about 3 mos. ago.

[drift]

NA power seems fitting for the new tacomas. However costs typically can be more prohibitive than slappin a few #'s of boost. Pushing 85+bhp per litre isnt far fetched.

Before more power I am interested in better gearing, better braking and improved weight distributionl to fight understeer at higher speeds. Oh and some wide-ass tires up front and back.

but thats takes a bunch of loot!

:-)

[x runner freak]

Just recieved an email from TRD saying that a Supercharger will be out in the spring...No price on that yet

[00yota4x4]

Dont hold your breath..The TC S/C was supposed to be out at a time..and it took them like another 4months I think before it actually came out

[Bonzaisushi]

anyone with a x-runner near this place? http://www.procharger.com/systems.shtml


kinda funny you ask that.... im friends with a couple people that work there, and its right down the street from me:funnyup:

[ochizon]

Seriously, an S/C for the Xrunner would be BADASS!

[derekv6]

Seriously, an S/C for the Xrunner would be BADASS!
turbo for the win. :evil:

[ochizon]

If I had the XR engine, with a good quality supercharger, I think I would prefer it over the turbo...

I love the r/c car sound the S/C makes!:lol:

[Kyle]

kinda funny you ask that.... im friends with a couple people that work there, and its right down the street from me:funnyup:
Why is that so funny? :shrug:

[05 X]

Nah, turbo for sho... S/C won't help you any since first gear is already slipping the hell out of the tires http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Maybe starting in 2nd with the S/C will work. When my uncle got his '71 Corvette (I know, a totally different vehicle), he was initially disappointed that he could only get a little chirp from the tires when starting from a stop - until he realized he was starting in third gear, not first.

Another approach with the S/C when next to some other [fill in the blank] would be to start easy in 1st and maybe 2nd, then stomp on it hard in 3rd to take 'em.

[AGENT-X]

i have a freind that works for procharger and as of a few weeks ago there are no plans to make a s/c.

[TraysCool]

lets clear up some misinformation.....

The TRD supercharger should be out within the next 9 months or so.My shop is 3 blocks away from TRD headquarters and I have friends that work there.

As far as twin turbo,although its more efficent and sounds badass, personally would much rather have a roots-tope SC because of reliability and the TRD piece will be covered under warranty.

I have talked to some people at Vortech about their centrifical type superchager kits and they said they were looking into it.

[TraysCool]

You can still have boost on a motor with 10:1 compression, however not much or else you run a high risk of blowing the motor. Most factory forced induction motors have a C/R ranging through 7:1 - 8.5:1. This allows for reduced pressure caused by the compression, which is then made up for by the boost. I wouldnt reccoment anything over eight or nine PSI on the new 4.0 motor.

well yes and no, its all in the tuning. My old honda b18b motor with 60K miles and 11:1 compression motor was turbo'd at 12psi for over a year and still runs to this day in a friends car. Its all in the tuning. I would run 12 psi on my truck no problem with proper tuning. It doesnt seem that anyone has cracked to toyota code yet for the 05's though

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/dohcnotec/engine2.jpg

[the lame-o]

forget the turbo, you're rockin those in 'n out stickers like nobody's business...

[Bonzaisushi]

i have a freind that works for procharger and as of a few weeks ago there are no plans to make a s/c.

kick ass dude, another black x-runner in kc...... :headbang: who you know at procharger? i know eric, and sarah, but i dont think sarah works anymore......

[XRobber]

<from an inside source to not be disclosed>
The XRunner S/C will be out in Early spring from TRD. unfortunately it will be a small one.less then 6 psi....

Another source <not to be disclosed> is building an XRunner full race setup.
Will be some time before we see something on that tho

[AGENT-X]

I know Sergio he's one of the guys in the shop he has the blue camaro and blue dodge truck. i've yet to seen another XR on the road, my wife saw a blue one a few days ago.

[05 X]

<from an inside source to not be disclosed>
The XRunner S/C will be out in Early spring from TRD. unfortunately it will be a small one.less then 6 psi....

Are you allowed to disclose the:

Price?

HP?

[XRobber]

Are you allowed to disclose the:

Price?

HP?
I wish I knew.
All the info I have is up there already :(

[05 X]

I wish I knew.
All the info I have is up there already :(

No problem. I'll plan on my pay bonus in March to go towards it when more details become known.

[00yota4x4]

Yea the Email I got from TRD just now told me ETA Spring '06

[derekv6]

i know this is a useless post, but lets jazz this thread up a bit....


















TURBO > TRD SUPERCHARGER :clapping::nana:

[MountainBiker]

Jazzing it up a bit more!


TRD Supercharger will be Smog Legal! :headbang:

[Bonzaisushi]

Jazzing it up a bit more!


TRD Supercharger will be Smog Legal! :headbang:


And way more reliable:headbang:

[Racer_X]

I dunno- mine turns on and rides nice, I'm sure Gadget will make those trucks quick and reliable... besides give it some time... the damn thing just came out!:waytogo:

[Bonzaisushi]

I love both forms of boost........ im a turbo guy myself......... but im thinkin i might get a s/c for the truck.

[Bonzaisushi]

I know Sergio he's one of the guys in the shop he has the blue camaro and blue dodge truck. i've yet to seen another XR on the road, my wife saw a blue one a few days ago.


good deal, ive seen 3 runners on the road, a black one pulled up next to me did a burnout and drove off, thought that dude was a tool.... then a guy in a red one.... and then before i had my x i saw a blue one haulin balls down 135th st... thats when i decided that i was going to get the x-runner:clapping:

[2nd XR ON EAST COAST]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/likemyFIRSTtime/rickyy.jpg:loveeyes:

[x runner freak]

Holy Sh!te......is That The Trd Supercharger Or A Custom Job

[Jonathan]

holly ****.........it was SOS lame attempt, the car was never even started before they gave up:rolleyes:

[2nd XR ON EAST COAST]

how come they stoped the project.id love to rip that thing down the track.:cry: . i have tried calling them for the last two months

[x runner freak]

holly ****.........it was SOS lame attempt, the car was never even started before they gave up:rolleyes:

AH HA I knew it looked familiar...I even emailed them a few months back inquiring about the supercharger...I thought that guy was saying that was his

[ToyotaDrifter]

lol failed

[StevenRedX]

lol failed

:funnyup:

[Korova]

This info is awesome!

00yota4x4, you should definitely do have that cryo work done now. In fact, for the price, that might useful for all of us who plan to get a s/c.

[rx-runner]

so you think the s/c will be smog legal...? and maybe we can get a group buy when it comes out

just a thought

[ToyotaDrifter]

:funnyup:

:confused:

[Korova]

I'm pretty sure it will be SMOG legal.

A group buy is a great idea. Maybe Gadget would be the one to talk to on that matter.

[rx-runner]

what do you guys think about it effecting our warranties? what about price wise...what do you guys think it will run between 1500-2500?

[AGENT-X]

good deal, ive seen 3 runners on the road, a black one pulled up next to me did a burnout and drove off, thought that dude was a tool.... then a guy in a red one.... and then before i had my x i saw a blue one haulin balls down 135th st... thats when i decided that i was going to get the x-runner:clapping:

I want to see another one on the street when i'm in mine, that way i can possibly stop and see what mods or likes/dislikes they have. if there are several in the KC area it would be cool to get them all together in one place for a photo to post here. :headbang:

[AGENT-X]

what do you guys think about it effecting our warranties? what about price wise...what do you guys think it will run between 1500-2500?

i spoke with the rep at the local dealership and he told me that if i was to get the TRD s/c installed at the dealership that it should not effect my waranty. that being said, i have to take it as he knew what he was talking about.

[00yota4x4]

TRD charger will be smog and wont void warranty...toyota wont sell it if it isnt smog legal. And since its toyota product wont void the warranty

[00yota4x4]

This info is awesome!

00yota4x4, you should definitely do have that cryo work done now. In fact, for the price, that might useful for all of us who plan to get a s/c.
I wish I had the money for it when it comes out this summer. BUT Unless something great comes my way i gotta wait 17months more when my house will be fully paid off :(

[AWTHENTIK]

what do you guys think about it effecting our warranties? what about price wise...what do you guys think it will run between 1500-2500?
1500-2500? No way,Im sure it will be much higher!

[AWTHENTIK]

then get smoked by someone with an sos intercooled s/c..........(red of course)

I think you and KGR are trying to tell us something!.....

[anhnguyen310]

i've said it once and i'll say it again...TRYING is the first step to failure...dont do it

[Korova]

I wish I had the money for it when it comes out this summer. BUT Unless something great comes my way i gotta wait 17months more when my house will be fully paid off :(

What about just doing the rods and pistons?

[00yota4x4]

What about just doing the rods and pistons? I was talking about the S/C
Since the last gen charger was about 2500..I forsee this one being around the $4000 area

[StevenRedX]

:confused:

yeah it sucks that they did but i would rather purchase a kit from urd... :bow:

[derekv6]

TRD charger will be smog and wont void warranty...toyota wont sell it if it isnt smog legal. And since its toyota product wont void the warranty

TRD is no longer part of the Toyota corporation... Technically it's not a Toyota branded product.... TRD got cutoff about a year ago, now they operate privately under some company I don't remember the name...

I wouldn't be so quick to jump the gun on the warranty. Usually it's only covered if its installed when you purchase the vehicle last I remember. :doah:

[00yota4x4]

From what I remember when people got the trd charger for the 3.4 I dont think they ever offered that as a factory option to add on when ordering. So everyone got it after they where still under warranty after they got the charger. I would still bet that the TRD charger would be smog just cause i dont think they would release it that way and have alot of pissed off people in CA

[Bonzaisushi]

TRD is no longer part of the Toyota corporation... Technically it's not a Toyota branded product.... TRD got cutoff about a year ago, now they operate privately under some company I don't remember the name...

I wouldn't be so quick to jump the gun on the warranty. Usually it's only covered if its installed when you purchase the vehicle last I remember. :doah:


are you sure about that? from what ive heard toyota still owns trd:confused:

[derekv6]

are you sure about that? from what ive heard toyota still owns trd:confused:

They may own the name, but not that actual entity that comprises TRD.

[Korova]

I was talking about the S/C
Since the last gen charger was about 2500..I forsee this one being around the $4000 area

Aah, ok. I agree, I'm thinkin' around the price tag too.

That kinda sucks, but at least I have a few months to set aside some money.

[Jonathan]

Aah, ok. I agree, I'm thinkin' around the price tag too.

That kinda sucks, but at least I have a few months to set aside some money.

id say at least 4k......the v8 charger was ~5k.........

[Korova]

What would a group buy do to the price? Hell, just knockin' it down to 3k would be more than acceptable.

[rx-runner]

i would hope it would knock it down to 3k then we would have some money to get is installed too

[bcutshall]

either way, i am saving for it

[turn1]

I wish I had the money for it when it comes out this summer. BUT Unless something great comes my way i gotta wait 17months more when my house will be fully paid off :(
Man I wish I could say "17 months more .... fully paid off" :bow: Median price for Single Family houses in Honolulu, Hawaii is $640,000. I am going to have to wait a long time :brickknoc

[rx-runner]

off topic: ahhaahhaha in cali its more like 850k

[Korova]

Mwahahaa. I'm glad I live in Texas. Hot roads and cheap livin' make workin' on a vehicle very nice.

Although in Cali, you do have the parts advantage. Everything comes out in Cali, and a lot of things are relatively cheaper there.

[rx-runner]

Mwahahaa. I'm glad I live in Texas. Hot roads and cheap livin' make workin' on a vehicle very nice.

Although in Cali, you do have the parts advantage. Everything comes out in Cali, and a lot of things are relatively cheaper there.

tax is a pain...smog is a pain...and our Governor is a f(_)@King dick...i just wish they were harder on the companies that pollute more then the cars do, and that we didnt have any smog laws....man that would be great i tell ya

[Triple Trouble]

I've been thinkin the same thing. I want to upgrade but I want to find out whats out there and who's the best. I was planning on TRD but if they're not as good as others then I will look around.

[slamdtaco]

when I bought my 02 4cyl new, I financed the TRD S/C. It comes with a longer warranty if the dealer installs it, but the parts have a warranty from TRD regardless of who does the install. That was the case in 02 anyways.

[TraysCool]

You guys should at least give them props for trying. Jesus you all wine and cry about not having a supercharger and then complain when someone gives it a try. Mabey they gave up for reasons beyond their control IE finances, tuning problems, etc.

Why do you think TRD is taking so long? Obviously they have to get it perfect and your not complaining about that are you?

I wanna see one of you kids go supercharge your trucks and post it up. Until then STFU:brickknoc

[Bonzaisushi]

You guys should at least give them props for trying. Jesus you all wine and cry about not having a supercharger and then complain when someone gives it a try. Mabey they gave up for reasons beyond their control IE finances, tuning problems, etc.

Why do you think TRD is taking so long? Obviously they have to get it perfect and your not complaining about that are you?

I wanna see one of you kids go supercharge your trucks and post it up. Until then STFU:brickknoc



you mean you dont just bolt it on?:doah: :D

[Jonathan]

You guys should at least give them props for trying. Jesus you all wine and cry about not having a supercharger and then complain when someone gives it a try. Mabey they gave up for reasons beyond their control IE finances, tuning problems, etc.

Why do you think TRD is taking so long? Obviously they have to get it perfect and your not complaining about that are you?

I wanna see one of you kids go supercharge your trucks and post it up. Until then STFU:brickknoc

you STFU. have you seen the other chargers TRD has put out? all of them took way too long, and came out of the factory with HUGE issues.

[Greg_Canada]

I'm sure you can cast, fit, test, work out all the bugs, start, get patents, CARB certification, make sure it's PERFECT, refine tune etc, for many different cars, in a year. Do you know how much it costs for CARB certification?
Everything takes time, and i'm sure TRD has to take care of the race program too, which may be a bit more important than supercharger development.
I'ts Toyota Racing Development, not Tacoma Racing Development...

[PhoComa]

Last I check, each CARB certification cost about $12,000-$14,000 when you're done for EACH NUMBER issued by them..

[Jonathan]

Last I check, each CARB certification cost about $12,000-$14,000 when you're done for EACH NUMBER issued by them..

actually i think, its around 40k, you get one shot to pass for that, and if you do, volah!

[turn1]

My friend went to put a down pmt on an '06 XR and the salesman told him, "Next year the S/C and rear wheel disk brakes are coming to the Tacoma lineup." He was like,"Fo Real?" Salesman said yes. He walked out thinking he'd wait for the '07. I think the salesman is :looney: cuz he lost a sale and he has no clue.