Archive Mega-Thread: X-Runner Big Brakes: OEM/TRD

Offered exclusively on the Tacoma X-Runner performance truck will be a high-performance Big Brake system. The system was developed specifically for the X-Runner by Toyota Technical Center and TRD engineers. The goal was to develop a system for hardcore enthusiasts that would provide effective braking performance under sustained heavy abuse. The system was tested extensively by Toyota engineers both on the ride and handling course and the high-speed oval at the Toyota Arizona Proving Ground (TAPG). The system features huge 13 x 1.25-inch semi-floating vented rotors with directional internal fins; forged aluminum four-piston fixed calipers; larger pads with high coefficient of friction material; and braided steel lines. The system dramatically improves pedal feel and substantially reduces brake fade from repeated high-speed stops.

i wonder if the parts are interchangeable http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

does anyone happen to know the bolt pattern of the stock wheels. Also the offset of the wheels plus the size of the stock rotors on the xrunner

I have asked some of my friends at toyota of Dallas/ Trdparts4u but there is not much of any info out there. I'm wondering if they will bolt in also if they will with minor modification I will be doing this swap

that would be nice if the brakes were interchangeable. BUT i dont think the master cylinder on our current srunners and other 2WDs can push the same volume as needed in the 4 piston calipers, may be the pre runners and 4x4 would have an easier converison seeing as they already have the 4 piston calipers.

its just a thought

There is alraedy a Big Brake kit available for the tundras, its just a "TRD" rebadged Brembo 13" brake conversion. (brembo=2,$$$.$$)

yeah thats cool but thats not much help for tacomas

There is alraedy a Big Brake kit available for the tundras, its just a "TRD" rebadged Brembo 13" brake conversion. (brembo=2,$$$.$$)



Actually, they're Stoptech brakes, not Brembo.

I was under the impression that stoptech was rebadged Brembo or Alcon calipers and they just made the brackets and sold them as "kits", maybe not though.

That's new to me; you could be right.

I spoke to a TRD rep today and he said the TRD Big brake kit will be available early December. I also talked to the guy at Stoptech(who makes the kits) and he said he just got a big order from them.

Dealer list price will be about 2,300.

Also look out for the Rotora Kits.

Gotta love dealer mark-up on a TRD rebadged item http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif If Rotora could come close to half that, they'll have Xrunner customers coming to them in droves.

I am so pissed off at Stoptech. I tried for a year to get them to make a kit for the tacoma, and they kept blowing me off. At one time, I actually had an appointment to come in, and then they canceled. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cussing.gif

Meanwhile, they make a BB kit for the X-runner, which has the exact setup as the normal tacoma!

Meanwhile, they make a BB kit for the X-runner, which has the exact setup as the normal tacoma!

so if it has the same exact setup doesnt that mean you could just use the kit that they produce if and when they do? http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

or by same setup you mean front disc & rear drum... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

OK THIS JUST IN. Seriously this rolled off my fax while I was typing another post. Toyota has released a TRD Big Brake Kit Specifically for the Toyota Xrunner it can be ordered as a factory option or you can buy it after. If you buy it PPO ie production order the MSRP is $2,499.00 or you can buy it Uninstalled from parts at $2,299.00 Sounds way pricey to me especially since it says it replaces the front only SO here is the descrip

Complete bolt on kit replaces stock components with no drilling or modification. High quality components include aluminum four piston calipers, 355 mm slotted cast iron rotors with aluminum center hubs along with necessary brackets and new braided hoses. The brake kit will inprove stopping distances and reduce fade during repeated use, and offer better modulation and pedal feel. The brakes are designed to maintain good brake balance when used with stock x runner rear brakes sorry the kit will not fit other toyota applications.

first, they are 332 mm (almost positive) and second urd already sells them for less. they are exact TRD ones with stoptech name on them. (stoptech makes them for TRD). i have had them on my truck for a few months now....

I think he is just saying its an option offered by toyota now, and you can order it that way.

took them long enough!! fawk the brakes give me boost!!!!! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

took them long enough!! fawk the brakes give me boost!!!!! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif



if it took a year after stoptech had them just to get them to trd, id say its at least like 5 for a blower http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif

We will all be trading up for a 5.0L by the time they make the S/C for these things then.

took them long enough!! fawk the brakes give me boost!!!!! http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif



if it took a year after stoptech had them just to get them to trd, id say its at least like 5 for a blower http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif



http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! doom on you TRD!! get to work ya fawk offs!! well at least we know trd hasent forgoten about us. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif does anyone have a pic of the trd brakes yet?

TRD has been saying this would be an option pretty much since they announced the X. I doubt you'll ever see any sort of FI this time around, though.

first, they are 332 mm (almost positive) and second urd already sells them for less. they are exact TRD ones with stoptech name on them. (stoptech makes them for TRD). i have had them on my truck for a few months now....




First YOUR wrong. I hate it when people tell me that the information given to me directly by Toyota is wrong. 4 piston calipers with 355 mm diameter slotted rotors with aluminum center hubs....... As the one who orders the vehicles for the dealership I get this info from Toyota direct as soon as it is released and some before it is.
Second I did not say that no one else made one I said Toyota is offering it as a factory option. How come everytime I post somethig someone has to get all &it(hy and tell me how so and so has it better.. Didn't say it was the best just said it is there. and if your stoptech are 332 then they are not EXACT TRD because the TRD is 355mm . http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

wheh I apoligize to those who understood I was simply telling everyone that they could get factory brake kits now. which is only an advantage because it is on the window sticker which means ---- oh I know I can finance it if I want.

first, they are 332 mm (almost positive) and second urd already sells them for less. they are exact TRD ones with stoptech name on them. (stoptech makes them for TRD). i have had them on my truck for a few months now....




First YOUR wrong. I hate it when people tell me that the information given to me directly by Toyota is wrong. 4 piston calipers with 355 mm diameter slotted rotors with aluminum center hubs....... As the one who orders the vehicles for the dealership I get this info from Toyota direct as soon as it is released and some before it is.
Second I did not say that no one else made one I said Toyota is offering it as a factory option. How come everytime I post somethig someone has to get all &it(hy and tell me how so and so has it better.. Didn't say it was the best just said it is there. and if your stoptech are 332 then they are not EXACT TRD because the TRD is 355mm . http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

wheh I apoligize to those who understood I was simply telling everyone that they could get factory brake kits now. which is only an advantage because it is on the window sticker which means ---- oh I know I can finance it if I want.



toyota doesnt know its ass from its elbow first, and second calm down i dont see why you are getting all bent out of shape. thats what i was told from a very reliable source, so thats what i was going off of. thats is good news we can get the brakes, i would have at the time if i could have. and if they are 355, does anyone want to buy my set of brakes off me? i have been asking gadget for a 355 kit forever.......... and they are still stoptechs rebadged as TRD by the way.

Rotora's 355MM Big Brake kit with 6 piston calipers is 2695. Take off the normal 10% discount and you're at under 2500 bucks.

And it's been around for months.

Do people have something against Rotora for some reason?

Rotora's 355MM Big Brake kit with 6 piston calipers is 2695. Take off the normal 10% discount and you're at under 2500 bucks.

And it's been around for months.

Do people have something against Rotora for some reason?



http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/meemee.gif just some bad stories thats all

first, they are 332 mm (almost positive) and second urd already sells them for less. they are exact TRD ones with stoptech name on them. (stoptech makes them for TRD). i have had them on my truck for a few months now....




First YOUR wrong. I hate it when people tell me that the information given to me directly by Toyota is wrong. 4 piston calipers with 355 mm diameter slotted rotors with aluminum center hubs....... As the one who orders the vehicles for the dealership I get this info from Toyota direct as soon as it is released and some before it is.
Second I did not say that no one else made one I said Toyota is offering it as a factory option. How come everytime I post somethig someone has to get all &it(hy and tell me how so and so has it better.. Didn't say it was the best just said it is there. and if your stoptech are 332 then they are not EXACT TRD because the TRD is 355mm . http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

wheh I apoligize to those who understood I was simply telling everyone that they could get factory brake kits now. which is only an advantage because it is on the window sticker which means ---- oh I know I can finance it if I want.


Dude, you need to chill out. You might have some piece of paper in front of you, but here are the FACTS that we do know right now...

*The TRD BBK is simply a re-badged kit built and developed by StopTech
*StopTech has been selling a BBK for the X for months now. It utilizes 332mm rotors.
*StopTech has also been selling a BBK for the 4wd/Prerunners, these utilize a 355mm rotor.

So here is what we can assume:
1) StopTech for some reason decided to provide the "TRD kit" with bigger rotors (seems unlikely).
2) Your fax is simply mixing up the BBK offered for 4x4s/Prerunners with the kit offered for the X.

Jonathan wasn't saying you were wrong, or that he had anything better... because its the same.

http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/meemee.gif just some bad stories thats all



Do tell.

OK OK I do not like starting fights on here I just got my feathers ruffled. Toyota builds a great product that is the only reason we don't have to offer rebates of 5000.00 to sell anything. We are currently the number two manufacturer out there in a few years time we surpassed FoMoCo and Dodge Sights are set on GM. I am proud of the company I work for. Am I always thrilled .. no .. But for those who can't go plop down 2500.00 for brakes then this is awesome they get to finance it in and only pay like 40.00 more in payment.. BTW $2,499.00 is MSRP I didn't say what the cost was .. So I wil love my new TRD Brake kit seeing as how you guys seem to tell me that the price is not bad at all.

Rotora , no nothing against them just never heard of them.

Oh OK I am soo sorry I forgot you guys work for Toyota in the Design and Engineering development center and you have ALL the inside knowledge. I am so sorry I will forever bow down to the grand tacoholics because you guys post so many more things than I do. Oh you also work for stoptech right over in the "hey lets get that other shipment ready for TRD" dept right ??

I didn't confuse anything, my fax machine didn't confuse anything, my computer didn't flip the trucks around so that it was a nicer looking kit than stoptech offers and why the hell would stoptech sell TRD a better kit than they make ? maybe .. just maybe TRD made something. no no that didn't happen what am I thinking .. I am going home now. Cause I must be too stupid for this job cause everyone knows dealers don't know $h!t right.

all these pages cleary state that its a 13 in rotor. no? 355 24.1 mm in an inch, that is well over 14 inches. 332 is 13 inch........hmmm.......interested to see if you were talking about the 6 lug kit.......


here (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=102864)
web page (http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/2005/toyota/xrunner/page2.html)


the pic here looks identical to mine as well. i would think another inch would look bigger? (more pics in the mag i have)
web page (http://www.sporttruck.com/featuredvehicles/0502st_stoy/index4.html)

ops

I didn't say what the cost was .. So I wil love my new TRD Brake kit seeing as how you guys seem to tell me that the price is not bad at all.


Whoopdeedoo... I know what the cost is, and I get them at cost. Big deal.

Oh OK I am soo sorry I forgot you guys work for Toyota in the Design and Engineering development center and you have ALL the inside knowledge. I am so sorry I will forever bow down to the grand tacoholics because you guys post so many more things than I do. Oh you also work for stoptech right over in the "hey lets get that other shipment ready for TRD" dept right ??

I didn't confuse anything, my fax machine didn't confuse anything, my computer didn't flip the trucks around so that it was a nicer looking kit than stoptech offers and why the hell would stoptech sell TRD a better kit than they make ? maybe .. just maybe TRD made something. no no that didn't happen what am I thinking .. I am going home now. Cause I must be too stupid for this job cause everyone knows dealers don't know $h!t right.


God you're such a moron. We've known all along the TRD kit was a re-badged StopTech kit. Its no secret. TRD doesn't make [censored]. They didn't make the supercharger for the 3.4. They didn't make the LSD for the S-Runner, Eaton made that one. They just re-label things and up the price.

And if StopTech sells their kits to TRD to be a factory option, then thats more money for StopTech. You can't figure that out on your own?

I was not being smart about the cost thing on the brake kit I just thought that $2,599.00 was high for just a front brake kit but seems like it is not too bad compared to some of the others..

About the stoptech TRD thing I just meant why would stoptech sell toyota a better kit than they offer not why would they sell kits to toyota .. why a bigger aka better one.

I don't really care who manufactures it. and if so why do you guys buy TRD if all TRD is just rebadged someone elses stuff. can you buy stoptech 355mm for the Xrunner for less than 2k ?? if so buy it. Hell I will too if it is the same thing at less money I am no idiot I would but it too but I have not seen a whole lot of posts on here about BBK and so I thought I would do the neighborly thing and tell you guys TRD has one Part # PTR09-35050. If it is indeed rebadged stoptech and you can get it less than TRD by all means get it ..

Geez ok i think this is clear, He is just trying to help out. Everyone settle down and buy whatever kit you want.

I think the bottom line is the point he was trying to make is the brakes are offered as an option on 06's now and you can get the truck with it installed and finance it. Like it was said before thats good news for those of us who cant drop 2500 bux and would like to fiance it.

No one was giving this guy [censored] until he got all butthurt about what Jonathan said. All we were trying to tell him is that the TRD kit is a StopTech kit. We weren't arguing that one was better than the other (how is that possible if they're the same?). We weren't saying anything like that, we were just providing some info.

I know that you can read about the brakes in magazines I was just saying that they are a factory option now .. also they also quoted in many magazines that the "factory" supercharger would put horsepower well over 300 and I have yet to see the factory supercharger. soooo also I am sure it takes 25.4001 mm to equal 1 inch that would put it right at a 14in brake kit .. If it is then why would anyone be upset that it was bigger than the previously posted 13 in http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif the 332 is 13 in kit but this one states that it is 355mm and I like bigger.

I guess the reason I thought that was too high was the fact that 1 its factory that is always more.. 2 I like old hotrods and I can do brake kits for alot less on my Mustang or just about any older car so I have never looked at a BBk for a new car.

tell me there is a difference in these two. please, b/c for the life of me, that darn TRD kit on the blue truck doesnt look an inch bigger..........b/c its not.

TRD
http://sporttruck.com/featuredvehicles/0502st_toyota06_z.jpg
MINE

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jon_lozon/Picture239.jpg

goinginsane, thank you for posting up and trying to help us out, but please do not come on here with info from TRD and assume its 100% correct. cant we just all enjoy these brakes and not fight like little girls? damn

Oh OK I am soo sorry I forgot you guys work for Toyota in the Design and Engineering development center and you have ALL the inside knowledge. I am so sorry I will forever bow down to the grand tacoholics because you guys post so many more things than I do. Oh you also work for stoptech right over in the "hey lets get that other shipment ready for TRD" dept right ??

I didn't confuse anything, my fax machine didn't confuse anything, my computer didn't flip the trucks around so that it was a nicer looking kit than stoptech offers and why the hell would stoptech sell TRD a better kit than they make ? maybe .. just maybe TRD made something. no no that didn't happen what am I thinking .. I am going home now. Cause I must be too stupid for this job cause everyone knows dealers don't know $h!t right.



wow what a lame thing to say. once again, you are wrong, look at my pics, that is the TRD brake tested in sport truck. second, you come on here thinking you know everything, and was just proved wrong so dont act like your [censored] dont stink. and actually, i do know people over at stoptech, and i dont think that gadget and brian would lie to me either, and i hold their opinion high , them being the same per "stoptech" (they are an authorized dealer). now everyone drop it.


jonathan -1
goinginsane-0

haha

Are the Stoptech ones slotted like the TRD? Its hard to tell from the pic.

Are the Stoptech ones slotted like the TRD? Its hard to tell from the pic.


Slotted, drilled, and plain are available. However, drilled is a $100 price increase. StopTech also offers slotted and drilled rotors with a zinc coating for a $70 increase. You can find out all the info and variations at http://www.stoptech.com/products/BBK/options.shtml

Are the Stoptech ones slotted like the TRD? Its hard to tell from the pic.



yes

Inches to Millimeters
Fractional Inch Decimal Inch Millimeters
1/64 0.015625 0.3969
1/32 0.031250 0.7938
3/64 0.046875 1.1906
1/16 0.062500 1.5875
5/64 0.078125 1.9844
3/32 0.093750 2.3813
7/64 0.109375 2.7781
1/8 0.125000 3.1750
9/64 0.140625 3.5719
5/32 0.156250 3.9688
11/64 0.171875 4.3656
3/16 0.187500 4.7625
13/64 0.203125 5.1594
7/32 0.218750 5.5563
15/64 0.234375 5.9531
1/4 0.250000 6.3500
17/64 0.265625 6.7469
9/32 0.281250 7.1438
19/64 0.296875 7.5407
5/16 0.312500 7.9375
21/64 0.328125 8.3344
11/32 0.343750 8.7313
23/64 0.359375 9.1282
3/8 0.375000 9.5250
25/64 0.390625 9.9219
13/32 0.406250 10.3188
27/64 0.421875 10.7157
7/16 0.437500 11.1125
29/64 0.453125 11.5094
15/32 0.468750 11.9063
31/64 0.484375 12.3032
1/2 0.500000 12.7001
33/64 0.515625 13.0969
17/32 0.531250 13.4938
35/64 0.546875 13.8907
9/16 0.562500 14.2876
37/64 0.578125 14.6844
19/32 0.593750 15.0813
39/64 0.609375 15.4782
5/8 0.625000 15.8751
41/64 0.640625 16.2719
21/32 0.656250 16.6688
43/64 0.671875 17.0657
11/16 0.687500 17.4626
45/64 0.703125 17.8594
23/32 0.718750 18.2563
47/64 0.734375 18.6532
3/4 0.750000 19.0501
49/64 0.765625 19.4470
25/32 0.781250 19.8438
51/64 0.796875 20.2407
13/16 0.812500 20.6376
53/64 0.828125 21.0345
27/32 0.843750 21.4313
55/64 0.859375 21.8282
7/8 0.875000 22.2251
57/64 0.890625 22.6220
29/32 0.906250 23.0188
59/64 0.921875 23.4157
15/16 0.937500 23.8126
61/64 0.953125 24.2095
31/32 0.968750 24.6063
63/64 0.984375 25.0032
1 1.000000 25.4001 << 1 inch equal 25.4001 mm
looks like the technicals must be wrong but I am gonna go by that.

ok now I am no Genius and ever since I first posted it seems like you "jonathan" have something smart@$$ to say about what I post. I have worked for Toyota for 5 years and I know that when I receive a fax from Toyota announcing new parts they have never been wrong yet and even by your math 332 / 24.1 = 13.7 inches by my math 355/25.4001 = 14 inch so 14 inch it is. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif I really don't give a ^&*&% what that magazine says because I have seen so much BS that customers bring that a "magazine" says this and I know it isn't correct.

No I am not confusing it with a 6 lug kit .. this is a direct bolt on that replaces stock soooo I don't think my wheels would go back on if it were 6 lug and that would be a problem.

Tell you what I will post the fax for you to look at it is also posted in my PANT which is Parts and Accesory News bulletin site ..

dude, i dont want a fax, i want to see the rotor with 5 holes in it, measuring close to 15 inches. the fax doesnt mean [censored], no offense.

Lets clear something up. Goinginsane seems to think that Jonathan is just some punk kid sitting behind a computer. In fact, he has a job which would make him somewhat of an authority (like Goinginsane's job at the dealership). He works for URD which puts him right in the middle of the aftermarket performance industry. He's not just talking out of his ass.

The TRD Kit, could in fact be 355 MM. There's no reason why TRD couldn't have made any last minute changes and told Stoptech to make it a 355MM kit. Would seem like a good idea to me to have the edge in the competition in order to sell more kits. Stoptech wouldn't care because they're selling kit's either way. But that's just speculation.

Maybe someone should email StopTech directly, and ask them. Or just wait til GoingInsane recieves his kit.

The only thing TRD would have to do is have StopTech make a larger bracket to fit the larger Rotor.

Here's pics of the 6 piston Caliper kit with 355 MM rotors on my truck during test fitting @ Rotora just for reference.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/trdcamry2003/6pistonontruck.jpg

And the 4 piston kit with 13" Rotor

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/trdcamry2003/4piston.jpg

http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnyup.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnyup.gif man someone has alot of time on their hands

http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnyup.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnyup.gif man someone has alot of time on their hands



Ok, what does that mean?

http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnyup.gif http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnyup.gif man someone has alot of time on their hands



Ok, what does that mean?


He was replying to Goinginsane's post with the conversion factors for mm to inch

i think it is awesome that you can get BBK for your X...i do also know that sometimes companies that rebadge products will say they want a bigger this or that for the same price. ford does that all the time with the shelby, rouche, and lighting. chevy does it with there Duramax and allison transmission...and alot of Computer companies do it with this video card with this reference design but we are going to Overclock it for better proformance or put 2.6 nano second samsung ram on the videocard.

so yes it is possable that TRD BBK is almost a inch bigger than the stoptech BBK...if they have the rotors for the prerunner/4x4 then all they would have to do is put the 5 lug bolt patteren on it and boom! presto! TRD BBK!

that is my .02 and i dont work for TRD or URD or toyota...but damn! stop bickering like a bunch o ladies and remember you all are taco owners in one way shape or form so treat eachother like it...never know if maybe urd may be slippen on there info and trd might have made something or did a double wammy untill it is released and then Stoptech will release the same thing just so people know it came from them.

I just shot Matt an email over at "Stoptech" in regards to the BBK for TRD. Hopefully I'll get a response soon. I'll keep you all posted.

O.K..here's the email that I sent Matt , who works @ Stoptech , and also here is his response:

Hey Matt,

Sorry to bother you again, but I have a few questions for you? There is a lot of debate going on right now on the website "WWW.customtacos.com" in regards to a BBK that you guys might be supplying for TRD. People are trying to find out if Stoptech has been contracted by TRD to make a big brake kit for the new Toyota Tacoma's(along with the XRunners). Here are my questions:

Question #1: First off, Is this true? Are you going to be making a kit for TRD to sell as an option on the truck?

Question #2; If it is true, is the kit going to be a 332mm or 355mm?

Any info would be much appreciated. Thank you for your time Matt,


And here was his reponse:

"Derick- At this time I can’t discuss any of what you’re asking about. They’ll just have to let the rumors run rampant for awhile…"

Matt

Dude, a few of you guys gotta chill out...

Goinginsane posted a fax... He was trying to do some good with good intent...

Jon and Kyle gotta stop attacking the guy... No matter how you guys see it, he came out nuetral and posted something, and you guys put him on defense mode... Each post there after just aggravated it...

If you guys think Toyota screwed up, then say Toyota screwed up... However, Goinginsane is posting 100% what it reads from the fax... No need to call him moron or anything... (You really expect people to calm down and rationalize after seeing that on their screen?)

TRD's kit is NOT on any truck yet, so NO one knows ANY facts... Period... Even if it was on a truck, we don't know about it...

jon relax? what the hell? this guy jumped down my throat, not mine down his. he can post the fax all he wants, but since its not sure if its a mistake or whatever, i dont see why he is fighting it so hard that it is probably wrong information.

jon relax? what the hell? this guy jumped down my throat, not mine down his. he can post the fax all he wants, but since its not sure if its a mistake or whatever, i dont see why he is fighting it so hard that it is probably wrong information.



It wasn't a mistake until you guys insisted it was...

TRD might come out with a 355mm right? It's possible right? How can anyone say his info is wrong? Seriously, even Stoptech didn't release the info to DMC so no one who is "in" on this project is suppose to release any info apparently...

What I'm saying is, I know you meant well, but the way you went about it, just put Goinginsane in defense mode... Then kyle just ganged up on him and it was overwhelming...

Not everyone can shrug off internet flame, so this is what lead to the result we have here...

Right now, all we know is, URD sells a Stoptech kit already available...

TRD has one comming out, with a fax stating it would house a 355mm kit...

There is no wrong info, about the statements above...

Goinginsane, just for future reference tho... Take a few punches here and there man... If you don't spend the time whoring up the forums and earn your respect or pay your dues... Take some flak... You don't gotta be right all the time, theres always room for when the kit comes out...

No matter whos in the right... You just gotta give the people who are putting in their time to chime in more often some credit... The tacoholics keep this forum rolling...

I know you meant well too, but you take a few now for the team and you'll be in it soon enough... Even if you're around 24/7, if you don't decide to post, your credibility will be limited to what we've previously can scout from you... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

Hope this made sense...

O.K..here's the email that I sent Matt , who works @ Stoptech , and also here is his response:

Hey Matt,

Sorry to bother you again, but I have a few questions for you? There is a lot of debate going on right now on the website "WWW.customtacos.com" in regards to a BBK that you guys might be supplying for TRD. People are trying to find out if Stoptech has been contracted by TRD to make a big brake kit for the new Toyota Tacoma's(along with the XRunners). Here are my questions:

Question #1: First off, Is this true? Are you going to be making a kit for TRD to sell as an option on the truck?

Question #2; If it is true, is the kit going to be a 332mm or 355mm?

Any info would be much appreciated. Thank you for your time Matt,


And here was his reponse:

"Derick- At this time I can’t discuss any of what you’re asking about. They’ll just have to let the rumors run rampant for awhile…"

Matt




lol, that's funny. Some of you guys might remember my very first post last year when I first joined the forum. I mentioned that I was going to call up some companies to see if there is a BBK available, and if maybe I could let them use my truck for test fitment so one could be made.

Here's the post.

New user to the forum, just bought blue Xrunner (http://www.customtacos.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=383642&page=&view=&sb=5&o =&fpart=1&vc=1)

(on page 3)

I think the real cool feature here is that new owners can have these factory installed and financed into the price of their new truck, and still keep the factory warranty.

This factor alone overrides any small differences in who makes this kit.

<flame off>

I think the real cool feature here is that new owners can have these factory installed and financed into the price of their new truck, and still keep the factory warranty.

This factor alone overrides any small differences in who makes this kit.

<flame off>



Well PUT! Amen, and let the flaming end, and let the stopping distances shorten!

Next, we'll all be battling about our AMAZING 0-60-0 times..... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I think the real cool feature here is that new owners can have these factory installed and financed into the price of their new truck, and still keep the factory warranty.

This factor alone overrides any small differences in who makes this kit.

<flame off>




Yup, and it sucks for us 2005 Owners without 2500 laying around. The first year buyers always get the short end of the stick LOL.

its called a credit card http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I have a CC and can buy you, your bro, and myself a set, but dude, I can't do that now cause the truck is bought http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I can easily tack that on the truck's OTD price and my mom would have no say haha, but now I can't...

I got $300, and am looking for just a 4 piston (unno what rotor yet) kit... At this rate, with two deliveries a month, I'll probably get there in a year http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Well I work in parts at Champion Toyota and that part # that he put up is a good part # that was not in the system before meaning the kit will be out .

sweet! i know what im getting financed on the black XR when i get it. "maybe" they will release the s/c by then too http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif i can see the price tag of everything combined at 29K+. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif but i guess if its financed it would be cool....... http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickknock.gif

Well I work in parts at Champion Toyota and that part # that he put up is a good part # that was not in the system before meaning the kit will be out .



Order a kit!

<flame suit on>

I for one believe this kit, and the others, are about $2,000 over priced...

This is not rocket science, it is simply a larger disc brake setup, we have been making disc brakes for years, in all kinds of sizes, these are not some new high-tech carbon fiber units, there are just standard disc brakes, same as stock only bigger. There is no reinventing the wheel here, just make some simple adapters to use larger calipers and machine up larger rotors... should be $500 max to the customer... It sickens me how expensive all this stuff is getting...

I am sure if you look at the company executive parking lot you will see a line of Austin Martin's, Bentley's and Hummers....

Personally I think the hard stuff is all the electronic tuners and ignition modules. There you have to spend a ton of time with a dyno, a ton of computer gear to monitor all the inputs and then try and fool, or reprogram the factory computer. In the end you end up with a 2" x 4" black box, yet these units have a ton of labor into them yet they are not $2,000....

But this is just some old hot rodders opinion...

<flame suit on>

I for one believe this kit, and the others, are about $2,000 over priced...

This is not rocket science, it is simply a larger disc brake setup, we have been making disc brakes for years, in all kinds of sizes, these are not some new high-tech carbon fiber units, there are just standard disc brakes, same as stock only bigger. There is no reinventing the wheel here, just make some simple adapters to use larger calipers and machine up larger rotors... should be $500 max to the customer... It sickens me how expensive all this stuff is getting...

I am sure if you look at the company executive parking lot you will see a line of Austin Martin's, Bentley's and Hummers....

Personally I think the hard stuff is all the electronic tuners and ignition modules. There you have to spend a ton of time with a dyno, a ton of computer gear to monitor all the inputs and then try and fool, or reprogram the factory computer. In the end you end up with a 2" x 4" black box, yet these units have a ton of labor into them yet they are not $2,000....

But this is just some old hot rodders opinion...



i thought the same thing, until i got one in my hand. they are a work of art. you go take that caliper to a machine shop and ask them to take you two of them. that alone would be more than 500, trust me. they are slightly overpriced but i couldnt ask for more.

<flame suit on>

I for one believe this kit, and the others, are about $2,000 over priced...

This is not rocket science, it is simply a larger disc brake setup, we have been making disc brakes for years, in all kinds of sizes, these are not some new high-tech carbon fiber units, there are just standard disc brakes, same as stock only bigger. There is no reinventing the wheel here, just make some simple adapters to use larger calipers and machine up larger rotors... should be $500 max to the customer... It sickens me how expensive all this stuff is getting...

I am sure if you look at the company executive parking lot you will see a line of Austin Martin's, Bentley's and Hummers....

Personally I think the hard stuff is all the electronic tuners and ignition modules. There you have to spend a ton of time with a dyno, a ton of computer gear to monitor all the inputs and then try and fool, or reprogram the factory computer. In the end you end up with a 2" x 4" black box, yet these units have a ton of labor into them yet they are not $2,000....

But this is just some old hot rodders opinion...



<Flame on> You're smoking Crack LOL j/k

But seriously. The Xrunner uses a single piston Caliper. The aftermarket kit's are huge Aluminum 4 and 6 piston calipers.

The Rotors are not just bigger rotor's, they also incorparate an Aluminum Hat. The Brackets are also CNC'd Aluminum.

Then factor in the hours of R&D the company has to put into designing the kit, they have to pay someone for their CAD skills. They have to pay someone to actually make the parts. Then you have a host of smaller peices that make up each caliper and brake assembly. You also have the pads.

The price is what it is, and it's not overly inflated. Companies have to make a profit to stay in business, that's life.

It's just a shame that Toyota gave us 4 cyl brakes on our V6 SPORT Trucks http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

<flame suit on>

I for one believe this kit, and the others, are about $2,000 over priced...

This is not rocket science, it is simply a larger disc brake setup, we have been making disc brakes for years, in all kinds of sizes, these are not some new high-tech carbon fiber units, there are just standard disc brakes, same as stock only bigger. There is no reinventing the wheel here, just make some simple adapters to use larger calipers and machine up larger rotors... should be $500 max to the customer... It sickens me how expensive all this stuff is getting...

I am sure if you look at the company executive parking lot you will see a line of Austin Martin's, Bentley's and Hummers....

Personally I think the hard stuff is all the electronic tuners and ignition modules. There you have to spend a ton of time with a dyno, a ton of computer gear to monitor all the inputs and then try and fool, or reprogram the factory computer. In the end you end up with a 2" x 4" black box, yet these units have a ton of labor into them yet they are not $2,000....

But this is just some old hot rodders opinion...



That is great news. How soon can you have a prototype ready for me to test out? Don't forget that liability insurance is going to be more then your production costs...

Gadget

<flame suit on>

I for one believe this kit, and the others, are about $2,000 over priced...

This is not rocket science, it is simply a larger disc brake setup, we have been making disc brakes for years, in all kinds of sizes, these are not some new high-tech carbon fiber units, there are just standard disc brakes, same as stock only bigger. There is no reinventing the wheel here, just make some simple adapters to use larger calipers and machine up larger rotors... should be $500 max to the customer... It sickens me how expensive all this stuff is getting...

I am sure if you look at the company executive parking lot you will see a line of Austin Martin's, Bentley's and Hummers....

Personally I think the hard stuff is all the electronic tuners and ignition modules. There you have to spend a ton of time with a dyno, a ton of computer gear to monitor all the inputs and then try and fool, or reprogram the factory computer. In the end you end up with a 2" x 4" black box, yet these units have a ton of labor into them yet they are not $2,000....

But this is just some old hot rodders opinion...



That is great news. How soon can you have a prototype ready for me to test out? Don't forget that liability insurance is going to be more then your production costs...

Gadget




owned

owned



... I think not, my points are still valid. If I can go get a brand new set of disc brakes for my dodge truck, complete, for less than $200, then there should be no reason these should be $2,500....

when you say a new set of disc brakes for less then 200 I am assuming that you mean only the pads.. ok well that certainly explains it I'll just get new pads and my truck should stop on a dime right .. Now I think the price is high too but I do know why. this isn't like I am throwing a 4 wheel disc brake set on my 65 mustang which BTW I did do abou t2 years ago for less than 2k . this is new rotor new calipers 4piston ones at that or 6 for some people all new brackets and hoses.. slotted rotors .. now I understand that for the initial runs these things are always higher until demand picks up enough to offset design costs.

I think the price is high myself but I know why it is high right now. I put an all new entire 9" rear end and 4 wheel disc brakes all the way around on my mustang but then again these were regular brakes no high perf 4 piston slotted etc.. nothing like what I want to put on my Xrunner.

Does TRD produce a big break kit for the X-Runner? any company out there that do?? :runaway:

http://www.urdusa.com/product_info.php?cPath=9_10&products_id=1230100012
http://www.urdusa.com/product_info.php?products_id=1230100046
http://www.urdusa.com/product_info.php?products_id=1230100045

the trd kit is produced by stop tech everything is the same but the calipers only come in red and say trd instead of stoptech (all trd big brake kits are made by stoptech)

Thank you guys for the replies.

If I remember correctly the '05 X-Runner had a BBK(big brake kit) option from the factory. Well I was at toyota.com and was using the Build Your Toyota feature to custimize a X-Runner. The BBK option wasn't there. I could of swore last year when I used that feature it had the BBK on there. Does anyone know if they ever offered that option or did I just make that up?

It depends on your zip code (your sales region basically)...some regions have more offered than others. Its strange.

That is wierd, I'll have to play around with the zip code and see what all kinda options I can get. Thanks!

If you want a BBK for your truck be sure to check us out at URD. We have exactly the same stuff that TRD sells, but with out the TRD name on it.

Gadget

I will be interested if I can get it from the factory. I'm not exactly mechanicly inclined. Just how hard is it to install the BBK myself? Thanks!

It is basically a bolt on kit. If you can change your own pad and rotor on your stock brakes you can install this kit with no trouble.

You pretty much unbolt the stock parts and bolt on the new, then flush the brake fluid, then start stopping better...

MY salesman told me that it could be an option ,but it was dealer instaled and they wanted about $ 2,500. he also told me that they were AEM but they just had aTRD logo on them.Hope taht helps ,cant go wrong with URD,got my short trow shifter from them works great.:waytogo:

The brake kits are made by StopTech for TRD. The only difference between what TRD sells and what we sell is the price and ours do not have TRD on them, they have StopTech.

Gadget

is it cheaper thru URD, and is it possible to get the TRD ones through you guys?

is it cheaper thru URD, and is it possible to get the TRD ones through you guys?

TRD=Stoptech=URD, same exact thing, different logo on the caliper.

http://www.urdusa.com/product_info.php?cPath=70_68&products_id=1230100012

http://www.urdusa.com/product_info.php?cPath=70_68&products_id=1230100045

OoOooo, they have the rear brakes too :D
http://www.urdusa.com/product_info.php?cPath=70_68&products_id=1230100046

Gadget, any idea on the price for the rear kit alone?

is it cheaper thru URD, and is it possible to get the TRD ones through you guys?

The are the same thing. Just the logo is different, and I am just guessing that URD cannot put the TRD logo on their Stoptech brakes, I think that would turn into a trademark issue.

http://www.urdusa.com/product_info.php?products_id=1230100045&osCsid=19e9a36d9a71763e11a0a0e0beb74bdb

Thats the StopTech Kit from URD (the SAME exact kit the stealership will put on). But for $2,500 installed form the stealership...and $2,495 from URD not istalled, doesnt seem like too much of a deal....? Gadget?)

eRic

I do believe Gadget has said to call them and negociate a price as Stoptech puts limits on how low they can advertise the price. Don't be afraid to call them and ask for a better price, I bet they'd hook you up!

I do believe Gadget has said to call them and negociate a price as Stoptech puts limits on how low they can advertise the price. Don't be afraid to call them and ask for a better price, I bet they'd hook you up!

bingo..

I do believe Gadget has said to call them and negociate a price as Stoptech puts limits on how low they can advertise the price. Don't be afraid to call them and ask for a better price, I bet they'd hook you up!

They would have to get me a REALLY good deal in order to get the rear BBK, :drinking:

They would have to get me a REALLY good deal in order to get the rear BBK, :drinking:

hmm wouldnt that be nice if someone made a small kit to fit the stock front brakes to the back.........:funnyup:

hmm wouldnt that be nice if someone made a small kit to fit the stock front brakes to the back.........:funnyup:

Yeah why can URD do that already....

;)

hmm wouldnt that be nice if someone made a small kit to fit the stock front brakes to the back.........:funnyup:

[Rob Snyder voice] You can do it! [/Rob Snyder voice]

i was wondering if trd offers a bbk for the X?

URD has been selling it for a while

thanks, i was wondering cuz i was gona ask this guy i work with if he could hook me up if they had any, but thanks anyway, i guess ill just have to wait...

TRD has them out right now from the dealer. From my understanding it is the same thing as the URD except with TRD badges.

sweet...thanks, im gona ask my guy if he can hook me up....hopefully

I dunno.

oh well, its cali, everything cost more....dam arnold

lol sux

tell me about it....even the smog test got more expenseive here....i hate cali for some reasons

I feel for ya man.

i was looking at the sizes and it seems like urd offers 355mms and 332mms...is there a really big difference between the two?

How much of a price difference is there between the two?

$400 difference

***** for that much more there better be a noticable difference. Im not an expert on these so I dont know.

HELLO TO ALL YOU XRUNNERS! MY BROTHER IS ABOUT TO GET A NEW XR IS THE TRD BIG BRAKE KIT WORTH THE $:shrug: AND DO THE CALIPERS PAINTED RED

i wish i wouldve gotten the option when i was buying my truck, but they didnt have it

Yes and yes

Thank For The Info.

questionable, and yes.

i wish i wouldve gotten the option when i was buying my truck, but they didnt have itSame here:brickknoc

SO I CALLED MY LOCAL DEALERSHIP HERE IN SB TO ASK WHAT ALL COMES IN THE BRAKE KIT. FIRST HE SAID THEY DON'T HAVE TRD PARTS (BUT WAIT IT GETS BETER) I TOLD HIM IT WAS FOR AN X-RUNNER HE SAID HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT AN X-RUNNER WAS:looney: :brickknoc THOUGHT YOU WOULD ENJOY THAT :funnyup:

Dealers are morons. Just give them this part # PTR09-35050 and tell them you want that with the truck installed. It's a Toyota part number so they will know what it is. You get the brackets, calipers, pads, rotors, and stainless lines with the kit.

i found the BBK for 2099 and i think thats the cheapest price i found one yet.

http://www.trdparts4u.com/Default.aspx?url=PartsDetail.aspx&MakeID=1&PartID=277818

i found the BBK for 2099 and i think thats the cheapest price i found one yet.

http://www.trdparts4u.com/Default.aspx?url=PartsDetail.aspx&MakeID=1&PartID=277818

What size BBK is this for? I couldn't tell if it was the 355mm or the 332mm? If it's for the 355 kit, I would say that's a pretty good buy! But if it's for the 332, I think you can do a lot better!

i believe trd offered only 332 i think

i believe trd offered only 332 i think

You might be right? I know that when I got my Stoptech 332mm kit, I paid close to $1,800 total, and that was with the cross-drilled rotors(which is usually $100 more as opposed to the slotted). But TRD and Stoptech, same thing, so you can't go wrong!

You might be right? I know that when I got my Stoptech 332mm kit, I paid close to $1,800 total, and that was with the cross-drilled rotors(which is usually $100 more as opposed to the slotted). But TRD and Stoptech, same thing, so you can't go wrong!

dam how did you get yours soo cheap???

I ordered it through a guy(www.supremepowerparts.com (http://www.supremepowerparts.com)) that I bought tons of stuff from for my Audi. He was able to get the Stoptech for a great price! I also think that he know a lot of the people who work at Stoptech! Either which way...it was good for me!:D

i believe trd offered only 332 i think


TRD offers a 355 mm BBK

where is the info ^

I don't think TRD has 355mm brakes. This keep popping up from time to time and after a lot of debating, it seems that you can only buy the 332 from TRD.

However, URD happens to have some 355mm brakes in stock...

Gadget

http://www.supremepowerparts.com/products/wheels.aspx/3/5106/_Lowenhart_BR5

:loveeyes:

SO I CALLED MY LOCAL DEALERSHIP HERE IN SB TO ASK WHAT ALL COMES IN THE BRAKE KIT.

Please turn off your capslock. It implies that you are yelling. Just some friendly advice.:waytogo:

http://www.supremepowerparts.com/products/wheels.aspx/3/5106/_Lowenhart_BR5

:loveeyes:

:waytogo: those are some nice wheels I think.

Group Buy....?:thinking:

The part number PTR09-35050, is this fronts and rears?

Thanks,

Stefan

The part number PTR09-35050, is this fronts and rears?

Thanks,

Stefan

BBK is front only.

Thanks. So I still need to find a decent replacement for the cheesy rear drums...

Thanks. So I still need to find a decent replacement for the cheesy rear drums...

working on it :waytogo:

Yeah Baby...now that's what I'm talking about!!!! Your new "Gauge Pod" design is sweet...but I think it's already time to put that on the back burner, and get this rear disc brake thinga-ma-jigger under way! Just my opinion of course!:lol: So, next time I see at your work, I expect to have the rear D.B completed.:D

working on it :waytogo:

Thanks. So I still need to find a decent replacement for the cheesy rear drums...
Rear discs do look great, but they are over-rated when it comes to stopping power, especially on our trucks:

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_rearbrake_upgrades.shtml

I can see why Toyota used drums on the rear, even though discs would've made the truck look much more hi-tech & sophisticated.

I don't care so much about looks; I am considering performance... The drums are sufficient for most driving so long as it is dry... Heck, I even put up some times on a track comparable to M3's, and only noticed the lack of brakes on my last lap when going all out and late braking coming into the turns.

The bigger problem as I encounter it regularly is driving through puddles. Water gets into the drums and bye bye braking capacity until dry. I learned this when driving a 1960's auto with 4 wheel drum brakes. Oh, and also now I am used to my 80's Porsche with big ole Brembos and no anti-lock braking to get in the way. ;) A 3000 lbs car with brakes bigger than a 1 ton diesel pickup is just awesome. :D

working on it :waytogo:


By the way, will you be using 355mm in back?

can someone give me the part#?

when is their sight goint to be up?

I dont know the part number off hand but their site has been up and running for a while. Its www.trdusa.com (http://www.trdusa.com):waytogo:

just put the hawk ceramics on i am a vendor for hawk

I dont know the part number off hand but their site has been up and running for a while. Its www.trdusa.com (http://www.trdusa.com):waytogo:


all it says is commingsoon:shrug:

just put the hawk ceramics on i am a vendor for hawk

are you using them now? how do they feel compared to the stock ones if you are?

The TRDUSA site is down (cause unknown).

TRDParts4U.com lists no separate TRD brake pad set for 2005+ Tacomas.

The TRD world (Japan) site lists no Tacoma parts.

PTR09-34002-11 this should fit all toyotas with the trd big brake kit:waytogo:

trd does not make a brake pad for the stock brakes on the 05+ 2wd taco

if thats true, i am :mad: just orderd one from www.trdsource.com (http://www.trdsource.com) . talked to a parts guy and he said it will fit.

find out what the part number is on the pads that you ordered

find out what the part number is on the pads that you ordered

ptr01-34050-33

those wont fit they are for the 4wd 4 piston caliper.......totoaly diffrent .... who ever sold them to you is a dumb @$$

Rear discs do look great, but they are over-rated when it comes to stopping power, especially on our trucks:

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_rearbrake_upgrades.shtml (http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_rearbrake_upgrades.shtml)

I can see why Toyota used drums on the rear, even though discs would've made the truck look much more hi-tech & sophisticated.


Good link...

Why not even a small set of discs on the back?
Why did they not put discs on my 4R? I can only think of heat reasons.
Even Hyundais have 'em.

I find it easier to change a disc brake pad over a drum shoe too.

the trd p/n is for the 355mm thats the ony ones they offer

I have a 06 xr and I have the big brake kit upgrade. I was wondering if other people were having problems with them squeaking real bad and if there is something I can do to stop the squeak.........

take it to the stealership assuming that the big brake kit was installed by toyota

I only heard of a few people here having the BBK .
Was it installed when you purchased it or did the dealer do?
Try backing up real fast and apply the breaks really hard in reverse. Sounds crazy but you 99% of your braking while going froward so braking in reverse may help. Did for me.
By the way welcome to CT

i have the bbk, and i took it to the dealership, they said there wasnt anything they could do about it, they said that several complaints have been made about the noise, and maybe soon we will have a TSB or maybe even a RECALL...... time will tell though

go spray pam on the rotors:waytogo: jjk dont do it:lol:

yah, that or some heavy duty silicone..... actually, i did a very short version of the brake break in, and it helped for a while, like 30 miles. lol. im actually thinking of taking it in, telling them to put factory brakes, and refund the money to the bank, then refinancing, and getting my payment lower. which will be cool, less noise and less money :):clapping:

BBK :mad:

it comes with the territiory the bbk does not have shims on the pads so you will get a noise like a race car.....

I have an idea...i'll trade you my stock ones for yours!!! my loss, your gain.

sounds like a deal to me ...

TRD strikes again.

was the break in proper? everytime my sqeak ( about every 6 months) i re seat the pads and it goes away.

TRD strikes again.First off, there made by Stop Tech. I've noise from cars with stop tech and Brembo. It just happens with these style of breaks.

Mine squeel...but I was told that most cross drilled rotors are going to do that!:shrug:

yah, if i got my money back maybe, otherwise hell no

First off, there made by Stop Tech. I've noise from cars with stop tech and Brembo. It just happens with these style of breaks.

I guess you like my avatar! :D

I have them but was wondering about other people's experience w/them.
1. Did you break them in by just not using them very hard for the 1st 200 miles
(that's what the dealer told me to do)?
2. Or did you break them in the way performance brakes are supposed to be broken in (which is the 1st option in the owner's manual).
3. I did it the way the dealer said because I didn't read the manual till later. I have to say I am very disappointed in the pedal feel & initial bite. They don't seem to do much at all unless you really mash them. I'm wondering if that is because of the way I broke them in or if everyone's are like that.
4. That being said, I had to panic stop once. I was positve I was gonna rear end the guy, but the thing stopped w/room to spare. No other truck I've ever had could have done that. However comparing them to other truck's brakes does not mean that much since in general truck brakes suck.
5. How would you compare the TRD big brakes to cars you've driven that had great brakes? My experience is that the TRD brakes don't even come close tho the magazine results seem to suggest otherwise. That's why I am concerned about the breakin proceedure I used.
6. The pads keep the wheels filthy, which is not uncommon for performance pads, but has anyone used a pad that works as well or better & has less dust?

thanks for your input

I have them but was wondering about other people's experience w/them.
1. Did you break them in by just not using them very hard for the 1st 200 miles
(that's what the dealer told me to do)?
2. Or did you break them in the way performance brakes are supposed to be broken in (which is the 1st option in the owner's manual).
3. I did it the way the dealer said because I didn't read the manual till later. I have to say I am very disappointed in the pedal feel & initial bite. They don't seem to do much at all unless you really mash them. I'm wondering if that is because of the way I broke them in or if everyone's are like that.
4. That being said, I had to panic stop once. I was positve I was gonna rear end the guy, but the thing stopped w/room to spare. No other truck I've ever had could have done that. However comparing them to other truck's brakes does not mean that much since in general truck brakes suck.
5. How would you compare the TRD big brakes to cars you've driven that had great brakes? My experience is that the TRD brakes don't even come close tho the magazine results seem to suggest otherwise. That's why I am concerned about the breakin proceedure I used.
6. The pads keep the wheels filthy, which is not uncommon for performance pads, but has anyone used a pad that works as well or better & has less dust?

thanks for your input

1. dealer is an idiot, you should know that. that is the worst way to break them in
2. you have to make 10 repeated stops from 60 as fast as you can in a row. let the brakes cool, then repeat this three times total. the brakes will smoke, to the point where you cant even see the wheel. my rear brakes were so hot the parking brake would not even keep my truck in place ( it was hard to tell i was even on a hill). pretty fun to jump out and look at :lol:
3. the brakes are not touchy. i was at first dissapointed as well. the initial bite is not that great, but you get used to it. if you step on the pedal, the truck will stop like no other. they are performance brakes- my brothers evo 9 has brembos all the way around, same thing with his brakes.
4. the brakes work- fade resistant, ect. if you have not driven on stock brakes, you dont know how bad they were.
5. my brother evo has monster brakes, they feel the same- not touchy, but all performance. you mash the pedal, the car will stop- fade free!
6. they do make the wheels dirty. i have only noticed a slight increase over the stockers ( i have about a year on the BBK, and a year stock). they do squeel time to time, but when they do, i just go do the pad break in procedure again and everything is good to go. i would not spend all the money and step down in pads. keep armor all off the rims, it makes it worse.

let me know if you have any other questions

I have them but was wondering about other people's experience w/them.
1. Did you break them in by just not using them very hard for the 1st 200 miles
(that's what the dealer told me to do)?
2. Or did you break them in the way performance brakes are supposed to be broken in (which is the 1st option in the owner's manual).
3. I did it the way the dealer said because I didn't read the manual till later. I have to say I am very disappointed in the pedal feel & initial bite. They don't seem to do much at all unless you really mash them. I'm wondering if that is because of the way I broke them in or if everyone's are like that.
4. That being said, I had to panic stop once. I was positve I was gonna rear end the guy, but the thing stopped w/room to spare. No other truck I've ever had could have done that. However comparing them to other truck's brakes does not mean that much since in general truck brakes suck.
5. How would you compare the TRD big brakes to cars you've driven that had great brakes? My experience is that the TRD brakes don't even come close tho the magazine results seem to suggest otherwise. That's why I am concerned about the breakin proceedure I used.
6. The pads keep the wheels filthy, which is not uncommon for performance pads, but has anyone used a pad that works as well or better & has less dust?

thanks for your input

Just wait for the price tag when you have to change your rotors - OUCH :jawdrop: .

Just wait for the price tag when you have to change your rotors - OUCH :jawdrop: .

year of abuse, i drive like a madman, and mine arnt even showing ANY wear yet...

[QUOTE=Jonathan]1. dealer is an idiot, you should know that. that is the worst way to break them in

You are SO right. I knew how to breakin brakes from my motorcycle days, but...

i just go do the pad break in procedure again and everything is good to go.

I'm, wondering if it would be beneficial for me to do the procedure, even at this late date?


And thanks for the input, my brother.

[quote=Jonathan]1. dealer is an idiot, you should know that. that is the worst way to break them in

You are SO right. I knew how to breakin brakes from my motorcycle days, but...

i just go do the pad break in procedure again and everything is good to go.

I'm, wondering if it would be beneficial for me to do the procedure, even at this late date?


And thanks for the input, my brother.

yes, still do the pad seat in procedure.

I keep getting 2 differant spec for the TRD brakes. I know there made by StopTech. Are they TRDs the 13 or 14inch version?

Jonathan is correct! You HAVE to break them in the HARD way, 10 stops until they smoke. You'll know that their correctly "bedded" in, and should see a nice prominent grey/blue marking starting to form on the surface of the rotors, esp at the slotted areas. Make sure you do this in a SAFE place, away from traffic. Also allow them time to cool immediately after the break-in, otherwise fading can bite you in the A**.

thread hijack! what is the smallest rim size you can use with the bbk?

thread hijack! what is the smallest rim size you can use with the bbk?


17 inch, if the wheel allows. some will fit, some wont.

Didn't your TRD kit come with a procedure on how to break them in?

Mine did...

Didn't your TRD kit come with a procedure on how to break them in?

Mine did...

As per my original post:
3. I did it the way the dealer said because I didn't read the manual till later.

I will have to adjust to left foot braking after I put mine on...