How is it goin guys. I found out there is a rice rocket car meet in HB. Its the one on Barnes and Noble off of Beach. I think you can see it off the 405 freeway. I'm going be there.If you got nothin to do roll on up.See some tacos up in a rice rocket meet.It starts at 9 on Friday.
**DONOTDELETE**
04-29-2002, 09:20 PM
who's starting the meet? a club? site?
NonTacomaOwner
04-29-2002, 11:12 PM
it's a few guys from honda-tech.com setting it up, you guys should check it out, honda meets get pretty big! there was a meet on sunday (4/28) there was well over 100 cars there, kinda blows the the taco meets away, but taco meets are still cool! i'll probadly be there.
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true but how often do you see a custom taco? hardly ever. but no matter where you go you will see a souped up honda.
NonTacomaOwner
04-30-2002, 12:08 AM
when ever i go out i actually see a couple fixed up taco's, seeing a fixed up tacoma is pretty common now, and there are few that live close to me. true that you see a lot of fixed up honda's, but the type of honda's that are at these meets are more race oriented, these aren't ordinary honda guru's! and don't expect it to be like Fast and (I hate that damn movie) the Furious, you won't find aluminum wings, ricey bodykits, or neon green cars at these meets
SRUNNER
04-30-2002, 02:33 AM
Im there! Black srunner on black rimz. I think all that are gonna roll should meet up, around 8:00. That way we can all roll in together, not like a bunch of straggling hobos.
CASlim
04-30-2002, 07:17 AM
Those hondas are just to slow for us to go play with http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif
Vracer111
04-30-2002, 10:38 AM
CASlim...I wouldn't give a blanket statement like that...most Honda-Tech members are seriously into performance, and nearly half of the regular users on Honda-Tech.com are into sanctioned racing - i.e. Roadracing, Drag racing, etc. The following link is an example of one of the very high performance honda's on Honda Tech that can beat an S-runner no problem in a straight line.
<a target="_blank" href=http://www3.sympatico.ca/h.leung/Video/223ITRgear.mpg>"Tony the Tiger's" 95GSR acceleration video</a>
<a target="_blank" href=http://htracing2.homestead.com/files/Integra/gsrstg8a.jpg>Image of the GSR</a>
Not bad for a normally aspirated integra, 0 -60 in 5.0 seconds flat....
Oh an you should look over Tony's Toyota Camry...nearly as impressive as the Teg. <a target="_blank" href=http://www.geocities.com/leunghomepage/HomePage.html>Tony's web page</a>
Another cool video is of the first inagural ECHC race...
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte231u/CMPstart.mpg>ECHC first race start</a>...you're riding onboard an old Honda CRX Si
- Vracer111, a Honda-Tech.com member....
RevHard6
04-30-2002, 11:03 AM
Easy Vracer. I'm sure Slim was just poking fun. Many of us in here have respect for other custom rides. I used to drive an Integra myself.
CASlim
04-30-2002, 11:07 AM
Yeah, I was was just makng conversation. It's not the vehicle that's fast, it's what you put in it that is. There was a 10.01 sec Ford Pinto at the Fontana races a while back. And it didn't have a 8cyl, it was a 4cyl!
Vracer111
04-30-2002, 11:15 AM
Ok..cool (might want to use the http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif instead of http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif next time though?), just wanted you to know that there are serious Honda people out there - and you will find them on Honda-Tech....
Didn't want it to sound like an attack, if it did I apologize.
myLOWtaco
04-30-2002, 02:20 PM
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CASlim
04-30-2002, 02:32 PM
You sure do back the honda guys a lot for being a "tacoma enthusiest". I'm sure there are a lot of hondas that can beat me (none that I've raced so far, i.e - 99 civic si, crx si, preludes, accords, etc...), and I'm okay w/ that. Like I said before, it's not the vehicle that's fast, it's what's in it that is fast! Hondas are a very reliable car.
truckricerocket
04-30-2002, 07:15 PM
Hondas suck ass. If you run stock taco Vs. Stock civic, the taco would win.If you turbo a taco, and tubro a civic, damn taco would win.Motor swap taco wit a v6 Vs a civic b18c(gsr) I don't know who would win.But i took a gsr with headers, intake,and full exhust only whipped me when i took it to 3rd gear. And i'm a stock 4 banger with a 2.4 L.
dark
04-30-2002, 08:44 PM
Hondas do not suck(THIS IS COMING FROM A DIEHARD NISSAN FAN). Hondas are a great platform to build on which is why everyone does.
And of course the GSR pulled on you at 3rd gear; its still a Honda. How many cars did it put on you by 4th gear?
Hondas suck ass. If you run stock taco Vs. Stock civic, the taco would win.If you turbo a taco, and tubro a civic, damn taco would win.Motor swap taco wit a v6 Vs a civic b18c(gsr) I don't know who would win.But i took a gsr with headers, intake,and full exhust only whipped me when i took it to 3rd gear. And i'm a stock 4 banger with a 2.4 L.
<hr></blockquote>You must be smoking some good weed, cause you don't know what the hell you are talking about!
I have a 2000 si and I have raced a Tacoma with six pounds of boost, and I was pulling on him everytime, all my car has is an intake and exhaust.
Stock 4 cyl Tacoma Vs stock civic with single cam motor, civic is going to win no matter what!! Tacoma is about 1000 pounds heavier than a civic, even though the Tacoma has more power than the civic; the power to weight ratio is a big difference.
Even a civic with a GSR motor Vs v6 Tacoma, the civic is going to win regardless, the power to weight ratio is a factor.
Now for all you die-hard tacoma owners this is in no way an insult, cause I’m a Tacoma enthusiast, but I don't own a Tacoma, and I’m more of a (I like my car to handle) Honda person anyway.
dark
04-30-2002, 10:14 PM
ill agree with you on one point. Power to weight wins every time.
Unfortunately, you sound like a riceboy when you base your opinions on streetracing a few tacomas here and there. Any real racer knows timeslips are the only thing that matter. Second, you dont even have accurate data on tacomas. For example, a 2wd 95-00 regular cab 2.4l tacoma weighs around 2600lbs, 2wd 95-00 extra cab v6 tacomas weigh under 3000lbs. The power to weight ratio is better than any light truck on the market.
you said 'Even a civic with a GSR motor Vs v6 Tacoma, the civic is going to win regardless." well ya, no $hit. In that case the power/weight is too great.
Slips, not stories...
NonTacomaOwner
04-30-2002, 10:25 PM
I'm no riceboy! i have time slips just need to find it, but turbotaco can vouch for me, i admit about weight thing, i was refering to weights that tacoma owners gave me, guess there wrong. whats the curb weight of a 99 tacoma extra cab 4cyl?
dark
04-30-2002, 10:34 PM
cool, im just saying. I dont go for stories about "i beat this, i beat that"
That doesnt mean $hit most of the time because there are too many variables and inconsistancies(sp?)
btw, a 98' extra cab 2.4 tacoma weighs 2745 lbs, add 200lbs or so for 99+. My bad, I forgot hey gained some weight in 99...peace
NonTacomaOwner
04-30-2002, 10:38 PM
found it, these runs were both at idle thats why they are so feakin slow, but both cars run mid to high 15's on hard launches. civic (me) on the right vs tacoma with turbo (turbotacoma) on the left.
I can speak about both sorta. My 95 V6 5 spd xcab(33xxlb) with intake/exhaust ran a best of 15.2. My 94 Integra GSR(2650lb) with header/intake/exhaust ran a best of 14.8. Any little slipup of the GSR and my truck would beat it.
Vracer111
05-01-2002, 06:18 AM
It's really the driver not the vehicle...I've autocrossed my tacoma twice and it's a blast. First time the truck was totally stock and in the first run a funny thing happened...I beat a guy in a C3 corvette which ran the course behind me. Was funny when the announcer read out the following (paraphrased) "..and the corvette finishes with a time of xx.xxx...hey, you got beat by a truck buddy!"...wooohooo what a rush! I like how the tacoma handles on course with the stock suspension, but it is still about 10 seconds slower than my '90 GS would ever be - mainly because of the stock tires and light rear end...need more grip on the drive wheels.
Hopefully the rear swaybars will come in before this weekend and I'll get to see what difference they make on the truck...
Racing is not about the vehicles really, it's about what a driver can do with a vehicle. And I can't believe some of those drivers who I beat with the tacoma - they include drivers in Honda S2000's, Subaru WRX, and Camaros/TransAMs...it isn't the vehicles fault, it's the drivers lack of skill.
slamdtaco
05-01-2002, 06:48 AM
was gonna send you a pm, but you have it turned off. my friend has been autocrossing for about 13 yrs. he mostly races stock class. He has a miata and a Neon right now. He travels all over the country. His name is Greg Hahn. You know him?
Vracer111
05-01-2002, 10:26 AM
Nope, haven't meet him slamdtaco... I've only been to about 8 events, so I haven't been into it that long.
TacomaKevin17
05-01-2002, 04:09 PM
What's autocrossing?
dark
05-01-2002, 04:11 PM
http://www.scca.org
TacomaKevin17
05-01-2002, 04:38 PM
Thanks man.
You got a link for everything don't you? lol.
slamdtaco
05-01-2002, 05:37 PM
It's very much about the driver and not the car. My friend races his Miata with just a catback exhaust, stiffer sway bars and beats vettes, porsche's, camaros, etc.
dark
05-01-2002, 06:19 PM
hah, pretty much.
autocross is like a reality check. Guys will go to the track with their expensive cars thinking their the $hit, and then leave having been outskilled by the driver of a neon or sentra.
pucancakes
05-01-2002, 09:11 PM
check out www.club4ag.com (http://www.club4ag.com) the maker of the site almost beat a supra with his ae86 if it wasnt for the strait at the last stretch. he has some vids up on there
Vracer111
05-02-2002, 08:10 AM
Autocrossing is the cheapest way to learn how your vehicle behaves and what to do and what not to do at the limits..uhhh, I mean the cheapest way to have fun with your vehicle without getting into trouble....yeah...;)
BTW, the rear Hellwig swaybar came in yesterday...I assembled the endlinks and read over the instructions alot last night. After work today I will install it. I'm dissapointed with the low quality of the system..but at long as it is functional I will be happy... So this weekend I'll get to test out and see what benefits the swaybar actually gives.... Hopefully that highly modified S-10 will be there and I'll see if I can beat the driver again....
OGSpacePimp
05-02-2002, 08:21 AM
yeah, that's my kinda race too, I prefer that over plain drag strip racing, more delicate and it truely does reflect the drivers ability and knowledge of his vehicle rather than just who crammed the most under the hood and dropped the clutch the fastest. Though....that's fun as hell too!!!
SRUNNER
05-03-2002, 02:26 AM
Attn Non tacomaowner (as you call yourself) if u think that tacos can't hang because of the whole power to weight thing All I know is My Srunner ( without a supercharger) beat a "coveted and slightly overrated" Type R integra. My truck was bone stock. Oh by the way I have it on videotape if anyone cares to post it.
"It's not how you look in your car, but how you drive your car!!!" Vin Diesel
slamdtaco
05-03-2002, 03:30 AM
Don't get me wrong, I love the Type R and the Taco, but you wouldn't have a chance on a race track other than the drag strip. The Type R isn't that quick in the 1/4. It's made for all around racing like road courses.
SRUNNER
05-03-2002, 04:13 AM
Don't get me wrong, but the type R is also a mid 14 second car that's waaay lighter than my truck, and it has an LSD tranny, On any given day, I mean on every given day, the type R should be able 2 hand A taco It's ass according to most. Im just making a point. A lot of people tend to focus on the car, I say focus on the driver of the car.
slamdtaco
05-03-2002, 06:04 AM
The best times I've seen for a stock Type R in the 1/4 is low 15s.
CASlim
05-03-2002, 07:08 AM
I'm w/ Slamdtaco on the 1/4 mile time for the type R. It's only good for low 15's. That's awesome though that you whooped up on it. Could someone post the vid? I would love to see that.
Vracer111
05-03-2002, 03:48 PM
Integra's aren't really made for drag racing...so I'd expect a stock ITR to be about even with a Tacoma (tacoma owning the start of the race and the Integra catching up towards the end because of aerodynamics and hp/weight). Properly modify an integra though ($$$ into motor and weight reduction) and the Srunner will have to be severely modded to beat it.
Every car has it's own area it's designed for, and for the Integra that area doesn't include dragracing dominance. The integra's area of expertise is in performance handling and road racing (as demonstrated by the Speedvision World challenge Touring car series...). Those who dragrace Integra's must accept the fact that low torque high revving engines are at a disadvantage, especially from a dead stop.
Tacoma's don't handle bad at all, but they don't have physics on their side to be Championship autocross winning material.
Every car has their own element, and as SRUNNER mentions, it's the driver which makes the biggest difference in performance really. Unless you have a stock Yugo lined up against a Tacoma for the 1/4 mile....The you just wait to see by how much the Tacoma murders the Yugo.... Yugo Vs. Tacoma at an autocross is a different story though...;)
Attn Non tacomaowner (as you call yourself) if u think that tacos can't hang because of the whole power to weight thing All I know is My Srunner ( without a supercharger) beat a "coveted and slightly overrated" Type R integra. My truck was bone stock. Oh by the way I have it on videotape if anyone cares to post it
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umm! I never once talked about the integra type r, and one race with a type r doesn't make your truck faster than it.
I’ve raced mustang Gt’s and have won some and lost some, but that doesn’t make my car faster than it!
It’s the driver that plays a big factor in racing. If you put equal drivers in both the s-runner and the integra type r, chances are the type r is going to win more often, just for the fact that it’s a light weight, makes power up to 8500rpm, power to weight ratio is just huge for such a little car.
At the strip I seen stock s-runners hit 15.4’s consistent, and I have also seen and driven stock type r’s to mid 14’s ¼mile runs consistent.
Power to weight ratio does make a difference, if it didn't, then why do people lighten their cars as much as possible?
another example of power to weight ratio. My cousin's truck is hitting well over 220hp and a lot more torque than my little civci si thats only putting out about 140hp to the wheels with about 110lb of torque and yet i can hang and beat him most of the time, just for the fact that his truck is almost a 1000 pounds heavier than my car.
everything that i am saying is by no means an insult to any tacoma owner, i'm just stating that raw horsepower isn't eveything, there are a lot of key factors that makes a car quick.
found it, these runs were both at idle thats why they are so feakin slow, but both cars run mid to high 15's on hard launches. civic (me) on the right vs tacoma with turbo (turbotacoma) on the left.
oops! just noticed i made a mistake!
1/4_______16.565_________16.159
mph______83.26__________88.20
Vracer111
05-05-2002, 09:42 PM
I actually didn't do too bad autocrossing the Tacoma in the morning group today. With the swaybar the truck handles a lot better (more neutral actually) and felt great. Times weren't bad either..around 2 seconds off Integra Type R times (my best time was 60.212 ...most of the Type R's were in the high 57's to low 58's. Fastest time in the morning was a 47.9xx by a driver in a prepared Porsche 914. If I get better than stock tires I can probably be dead even with Integra Type R's...now that would be fun...hehehee.
Corner 3 was pretty fun! I must have looked like I was in a WRC stage there on my last run ....WeeeEEE.
Akhwa475
05-06-2002, 01:31 AM
hehe someone was sitting at the light!!! =D 1.105 R/T was it the first time you ran on the strip??
i'd love to go test my truck out on an autoX event, one of these days i'll take it out for a spin. it should be able to do decent cause my suspension is stiff as hell, at least i'd like to think it would cause i spent a pretty penny on suspension. =)
SRUNNER
05-10-2002, 03:27 AM
Hey non tacoma-owner, I challenge you to a duel sir, (as I slap you with my dueling gloves.) My n/a taco, vs. your civic, bone stock. I want to test your theory since you seem to completely miss my point every time, and insult me with irrelavent facts! No bottles no turbos. Mano y mano will you accept?
SRUNNER
05-10-2002, 03:33 AM
Next autocrossing event I'm there. Who's with me?
NonTacomaOwner
05-10-2002, 10:40 AM
And what point was that you were trying to prove?
If you think that power to weight ratio doesn't mean anything, then go to the drag strip or any track event (willow springs, or button willow) and ask some of the racer there why do they strip out their interiors, and put lightweight parts on their cars.
Obviously you didn't understand my point and took what I said as an insult when I clearly said that it was in no way an insult to anyone
SRUNNER
05-15-2002, 02:28 AM
I am very, very aware of power to weight ratio and it's hows much effective a lightweight car, such as a honda can be without packing a lotta ponies under the hood. I have been into drag racing, or should I say street racing ever since I've been licensed to drive, and there are many cars in my crew that run between 11 and 15 second quarter mile times (most of them hondas). So that's not the issue. My point is was and always will be, CARS DONT WIN RACES UNLESS A CAPABLE DRIVER DRIVES THAT CAR ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. So Does this mean no race for us? Just for fun of course.
NonTacomaOwner
05-15-2002, 11:29 AM
didn't i write that "It’s the driver that plays a big factor in racing" in another post?!?!
hey I'm up for a friendly race, I'll be at irwindale speedway tommorrow with with my cousin turbotaco, both of us always wanted to see how my car and his can do against a stock s-runner
newbie101
05-15-2002, 09:33 PM
aww i want to go to irwindale, but how much does it cost to go watch, isnt there a way to get infree?
turbotaco
05-15-2002, 10:23 PM
Whaaa tha F@*#!!!!!! going on in here........How did my name get posted on this post.......Damm non tacoma owner, just admit it your Si is slow..hahahahahahahahahhaha I think you and srunner should meet up tomorrow at irwindale, and finally get this s@#!t over with. I might go if i get out of class in time. Ohhh, can i go on a honda forum and have a screen name NonHondaowner, that would tight, I could talk about si and how slow they are.
Whaaa tha F@*#!!!!!! going on in here........How did my name get posted on this post.......Damm non tacoma owner, just admit it your Si is slow..hahahahahahahahahhaha I think you and srunner should meet up tomorrow at irwindale, and finally get this s@#!t over with. I might go if i get out of class in time. Ohhh, can i go on a honda forum and have a screen name NonHondaowner, that would tight, I could talk about si and how slow they are.
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Don't be mad that my stock civic can kick your ass. http://www.sgtfuzzbubble99.homestead.com/files/Smilies/Sarge/Tongue_anim.gif Just remember if a stock s-runner can kick my ass then your turboed taco will be sniffing Srunner's exhaust fumes for 1/8th a mile!!! http://www.sgtfuzzbubble99.homestead.com/files/Smilies/Sarge/Tire_anim.gif What time you get out of class?
How's TURBOTACO-EATER as a name?!?!? sound good?!?HaHa!!! http://www.sgtfuzzbubble99.homestead.com/files/Smilies/Sarge/Blurp_anim.gif
INACOMA
05-15-2002, 10:48 PM
LMAO, you guys crack me up. I would go to Irwindale but I am picking up my new short shifter and installing it. Next time I am going for sure, I am curious what I'd run........
Vracer111
05-16-2002, 06:21 AM
I guarantee that in my 2.4L Tacoma I would give you and your "stock" Civic Si a run for the money at an autocross event - and actually have a good chance of beating you.
CASlim
05-16-2002, 07:16 AM
Aren't you guys family? Ah, family love. W/ the LSD install, I'm sure turbotaco will give the s-runner a run for his money. Especially in a 1/4 mile (the real race). Once that turbo builds up pressure...well, you know. http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif
turbotaco
05-16-2002, 08:15 AM
STOCK SI????I THOUGHT YOU WHERE RUNNING AN AFTERMARKET EXHAUST, COLD AIR INTAKE, AND A SHORT SHIFTER......THAT DOESN'T SOUND STOCK TO ME ANYMORE. I'M ONLY RUNNING 5 LBS OF BOOST WHICH ISN'T THAT MUCH AND STILL SMOKING YOUR ASSS....
turbotaco
05-16-2002, 08:22 AM
DON'T BE JEALOUS ME TRUCK LOOKS BETTER AND IS FASTER THEN YOUR HONDA SI!!!!!!
NonTacomaOwner
05-16-2002, 10:48 AM
a cai and a different muffler is mildly going increase the performance of my car, and just because your last run you .08 seconds faster, just admit it that i got you more times than you did, but a win is a win, and here's a http://soldier-of-death.net/sargessmilies/Smilies/Sarge/Drunk.gif beer for you for your 0.08 win http://www.sgtfuzzbubble99.homestead.com/files/Smilies/Sarge/Tongue_anim.gifHeeHee!
And I do admit your truck looks better, you new that, but faster?!?!? Only you if you bring the boost up!!!
I guarantee that in my 2.4L Tacoma I would give you and your "stock" Civic Si a run for the money at an autocross event - and actually have a good chance of beating you
<hr></blockquote> I bet you would! the first time i ever autocross I sucked ass, i wish i could do it again and get some practice, but i don't have a helmet, could we use motorcycle helmets? cause i can use those at track events in willow springs and buttonwillow
then why did you buy them? h/i/e was good for .7 improvement on my GSR and those will help any car/truck.
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fine, let me rephrases that, the intake gives some mild performance, but my muffler i don't know about that, I'm running the stock b-pipe, i used to have a 2.5 mandrel bent bolted up, but that thing made the muffler way to loud, that i just had to take it off. I/H/E are so common now that even an old lady honda has one
slamdtaco
05-16-2002, 01:38 PM
they should be common for anyone looking to make more power on any car/truck. Those are the basics.
Vracer111
05-16-2002, 01:49 PM
Motorcycle Helmet is what I use..a KBC TK7 with a nice polarized shield... as long as it's a Snell 95 rating or better you can use the helmet for autocrossing. Check and see if loaner helmets are available at autocrosses in your area. BTW, I paid $80 for my helmet (used from a motorcycle shop) which is in perfect condition - polarized shield was around $20 extra. If you check out some motorcycle gear shops in your area you should be able to find good helmets for under $100.
TacoGurl
05-17-2002, 07:36 AM
i just wanted to add a little insight here from a honda owner who by the way owns a prelude not a civic. i hate when people talk all this stuff about hondas..blah blah...and always refer to them as a civic. there are other hondas out there too http://www.CustomTacos.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif anyways, i've raced my stock (auto) prelude against my bf's (manual) tacoma - with an intake- and it's gone both ways. i beat him the first time, but then he turned around and beat me i think twice..so i think it's pretty evenly matched depending on what kinda honda u have. i know i've smoked an si before, so it just depends. i guess it all comes down to just taking it to the track and finding out for sure.
ChrisTaco
05-17-2002, 01:11 PM
Ahh yes family love.....lol everyone take a deep breath............breathe in the weed....that's right calm down, have a beer or 5 or 6. There we go....all better now. You guys are a trip. Well a turbo Taco vs. a Civic Si with I/H/E? ummm well the Si's in for some lovin of the loser kind. I think someone should record this and put it up on the site.
Wha??? what u talkin about beating me?? "You never had me!!" hehe j/k (It was a bad day!) =oP j/k
TacoGurl
05-17-2002, 01:30 PM
excuses excuses...don't hate cause your gf beat u! :-P
ONE TIME!!! It's one time!! Ok!!! never again....hhahahahah! Nah it won't happen, nope, not gonna let it. Well obviously your computers up again and you're not working....=oP like usual. hehe.