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read down to where they mention adding 2 turbos...to put it up to 800 hp...
I never said anything about Toyota racing heritage, I am talking about the road cars/engines that us normal folks can buy. The race engines and achivements are impressive for sure but don't effect the general public,
I am not a guy that cares what a company can do in a race series if that same level of performance doesn't make it into the street car (take corvette for example, most of the tech is directly from the track and you can almost build the vette track car (minus top secrete racing tech of course) with off the shelf parts from GM)
The rally version of the 3sgte engine for example is a beast of an engine but is also one of the rarest things ever. Only seen one for sale in 10+ years and it was just parts.
The 3sgte itself on the other hand is quite weak compared to other offerings of the era. It also makes a quite a bit less power.
3sgte generally maxes out around ~17psi and/or ~350-400whp with pump gas on a stock block before something goes wrong. Either cracked block, broken pistons, cracked sleeve, or several other issues.
The 4g63 from the era regularly runs 25-30psi and/or ~500whp on pump gas on a stock block. Both making more power and being much stronger.
Same for the SR, EJ and basically all honda performance engines (although they have to run less boost they make more power). The 3sgte when fully built can match them but it costs a LOT more. Take the 700whp stock block hondas running around.
Toyotas are great, I love them. But I am also realistic about them and what they are both good at and are not. I am not blinded by brand loyalty as I appreciate all cars for their strengths and weaknesses.
If you can find me one of those 3l V8 turbo engines I would LOVE one, I would pop it into my MR2 and have a blast. I have been eyeing a twin busa engine V8 for some time, if only it didn't cost $35k.
Toyota of the 80's/90's was actually a fun company, since the 200's though they are THE most boring major car company around. They are luckily seeing this error and trying to change the image with the FRS although that is really a subaru and a fail. The rumored supra replacement is interesting though.
Time will tell if they can become remotely interesting again.
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